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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 4186461" data-attributes="member: 54846">The point of having the abilities of your class is being able to solve solutions with your class's abilities.A wizard can't push a boulder down a hill on some enemies if he has weak strength. A fighter can. Does that mean that the fighter shouldn't be able to because he can and the wizard Can't? You seem to be saying "There should be non-magical creative uses; eliminate magical ones".Except that a fighter could have come up with another plan. Just because the wizard did it with a spell doesn't give him an advantage. A rogue could've used ventriliquism, or tossed a stone, or a dozen other tricks. The magical means is just there as one tool in a kit, not the trump card that you're making it out to be.The way you make it out to be, because a rogue has a good climb skill, and he climbs up above the door to get a good ambush position, that's unfair because the rogue has that option and has created it because he has a good climb skill.Furthermore, spellcasters sacrifice hit points and other benefits to be able to do things that others can't. Shoudl the wizard PC complain that he doesn't get to fight in melee? And in older editions, spellcasters had to fill those casting slots up with non-combat spells to ACHIEVE those creative uses; that rope trick could've been a much more effective spell. Are you saying that's not a suitable sacrifice?Magic is only a crutch for a party when the other players refuse to use their heads. The problem isn't the magic, it's the unmotivated nonmagical players.And? Not only that, but magic isn't the only means. I've heard of a 3rd level party that defeated a hydra. Simply because they could out run it. It chased them while they shot it, it suddenly gave up and tried to run away, they chased it and continued to shoot it, it turned around and chased them - rinse repeat. It wasn't intelligent enough, nor did it have any other options, and so it was plinked to death. Fantasy literature is filled with stories of weak people pulling off great, big things by just being clever. And that should be rewarded, not discouraged.</blockquote>

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