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<blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 1307402" data-attributes="member: 3570"><p>Actually I said the majority of SW fans want the original on DVD, and not moreso than the SE. I certainly hope more people want the original than the SE, God knows I don't want George to be encouraged. But given Spielberg's change of heart and release of the original E.T., and the commentary on those with a desire to preserve film history, I don't think its that far of a stretch to say that the originals are held in higher regard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your point was that "in the past few years, it's become fashionable to make George Lucas out to be the antichrist, while Peter Jackson is the greatest director in movie history."</p><p>Your hyperbole suggests that people are criticizing Lucas to ridiculous degrees simply because its "cool". Calling him the antichrist is ridiculous. And no one has done that, <em>certainly</em> not in great enough numbers to be worth mentioning. And no one worth mentioning does it simply for the sake of being fashionable. The <em>reason</em> its fashionable is the criticisms are valid and he brought them on himself.</p><p></p><p>Ditto for the praise toward Jackson. Your comment was dismissive, as if people don't know what they're talking about or aren't thinking for themselves and are just foaming at the mouth and screaming without provocation or reason.</p><p></p><p>No one's foaming, screaming, cursing the sky, or bringing statutory rape charges against George for what he did to their childhoods. But people still have plenty to criticize. And when the criticisms are magnified by the contrast of praise George earned the first time he visited Star Wars, well, this is what it looks like.</p><p></p><p></p><p>TPM got a "cream of the crop" critic rating of 40% at rottentomatoes.com. Ouch.</p><p></p><p>Lets take a look at what the critics actually said:</p><p></p><p>"Many of the scenes feel shapeless and flat—they're not ended, but abandoned."</p><p>-- David Ansen, NEWSWEEK</p><p></p><p>"After waiting 16 years for the overture to this epic saga, this is what we get? An in-progress trade war?"</p><p>-- Mark Caro, CHICAGO TRIBUNE</p><p></p><p>"The line readings of Portman and Lloyd are often flat, or flat-out wrong!"</p><p>-- Richard Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE</p><p></p><p>"Everything about this film is so mechanical you wonder if it was written, directed and acted by 'droids.'"</p><p>-- Rod Dreher, NEW YORK POST</p><p></p><p>"Story. Character. They used to mean something to George Lucas."</p><p>-- John Hartl, FILM.COM</p><p></p><p>There are positive quotes as well, but from the "cream of the crop" critics that people actually listen to, 60% of them echo the sentiments above. No one changed their minds to suddenly become cool.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Any kind of lag in the criticism you perceived was most assuredly the delay caused by the buzz of seeing a new SW film on the big screen. But, like the South Park audience watching the beginning of the Raiders of the Lost Ark SE, they cheered when the ewoks showed up and started shooting lasers at Indy, then sat dumbfounded, then got royally pissed and started screaming before their heads exploded. Okay so that didn't exactly happen with SW (I think only a couple of people's faces actually melted while watching it) but you get the idea. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kai Lord, post: 1307402, member: 3570"] Actually I said the majority of SW fans want the original on DVD, and not moreso than the SE. I certainly hope more people want the original than the SE, God knows I don't want George to be encouraged. But given Spielberg's change of heart and release of the original E.T., and the commentary on those with a desire to preserve film history, I don't think its that far of a stretch to say that the originals are held in higher regard. Your point was that "in the past few years, it's become fashionable to make George Lucas out to be the antichrist, while Peter Jackson is the greatest director in movie history." Your hyperbole suggests that people are criticizing Lucas to ridiculous degrees simply because its "cool". Calling him the antichrist is ridiculous. And no one has done that, [i]certainly[/i] not in great enough numbers to be worth mentioning. And no one worth mentioning does it simply for the sake of being fashionable. The [i]reason[/i] its fashionable is the criticisms are valid and he brought them on himself. Ditto for the praise toward Jackson. Your comment was dismissive, as if people don't know what they're talking about or aren't thinking for themselves and are just foaming at the mouth and screaming without provocation or reason. No one's foaming, screaming, cursing the sky, or bringing statutory rape charges against George for what he did to their childhoods. But people still have plenty to criticize. And when the criticisms are magnified by the contrast of praise George earned the first time he visited Star Wars, well, this is what it looks like. TPM got a "cream of the crop" critic rating of 40% at rottentomatoes.com. Ouch. Lets take a look at what the critics actually said: "Many of the scenes feel shapeless and flat—they're not ended, but abandoned." -- David Ansen, NEWSWEEK "After waiting 16 years for the overture to this epic saga, this is what we get? An in-progress trade war?" -- Mark Caro, CHICAGO TRIBUNE "The line readings of Portman and Lloyd are often flat, or flat-out wrong!" -- Richard Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE "Everything about this film is so mechanical you wonder if it was written, directed and acted by 'droids.'" -- Rod Dreher, NEW YORK POST "Story. Character. They used to mean something to George Lucas." -- John Hartl, FILM.COM There are positive quotes as well, but from the "cream of the crop" critics that people actually listen to, 60% of them echo the sentiments above. No one changed their minds to suddenly become cool. Any kind of lag in the criticism you perceived was most assuredly the delay caused by the buzz of seeing a new SW film on the big screen. But, like the South Park audience watching the beginning of the Raiders of the Lost Ark SE, they cheered when the ewoks showed up and started shooting lasers at Indy, then sat dumbfounded, then got royally pissed and started screaming before their heads exploded. Okay so that didn't exactly happen with SW (I think only a couple of people's faces actually melted while watching it) but you get the idea. ;) [/QUOTE]
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