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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pillars of Hercules" data-source="post: 110806" data-attributes="member: 577">Good stuffThere's some great stuff here - thanks for all your replies.  In fact, I think this is the first thread I ever posted that went to 2 pages.  Makes me feel all warm and loved. It seems that CoC d20 will be effectively classless, which is very interesting to me.  A precursor of D&D 4E?  Who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised.I am very pleased and fascinated by the "Offense" and "Defense" options described in the link posted above, where players can elect progression of save and BaB for their PCs.  Wow, that is customizability!I can MAYBE live with levels in CoC (you have to assign some sort of mechanic for skill improvements, after all), particularly if HP won't go up much.  Still, this does bother me a bit.  If the rules are done in such a way that we see a big ramp up in PC power from the standpoint of level-dependant abilities (other than just more skill points) I'll be displeased from a purely CoC standpoint, particularly because I'd like to see skill point improvement somehow tied at least loosely (note correct usage of "loose" on the Internet - 2 points for me!) to successful use of a skill, rather than just accumulation of XP.  This is not a huge problem to the extent you try to port the d20 CoC rules over into a more heroic genre. Are they planning to have feats?  Not sure how I feel about including feats in d20 CoC - sounds an awful lot like "level-dependent benefits" of the type I am wary of per the above paragraph. I'm a little concerned that even a WP/VP system might make PCs too powerful in CoC, but again if you're trying to use d20 CoC as a template for classless d20 that's not such a big deal.  Nonetheless, for CoC itself I'm somewhat mollified to hear that it will be a modified WP/VP system (devil's in the details there, perhaps, but let's see what they come up with).On the whole, I'm intrigued by the possibilities - not only those arising from just using d20 CoC to actually play CoC, <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> but also those arising from the possibility d20 CoC can be used to play classless d20 in any genre.  Now if I could just get a magic system that feels "right."  Definitely a topic for another thread! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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