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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4178498" data-attributes="member: 40961">Actually, if you want to use rays, Dex is awfully important.  Your big shiny ray of disintegration is awfully lame when it misses.  Dex is certainly not a necessary characteristic of a 3e wizard, but it can be a useful one.  And if you intend to use rays, I assure you, +3 to attack rolls beats +1 to saves.You ask a legitimate question, but then you steer off the track.  Which is the question?  What stops a player from dumpstatting all but one or two stats?  Or what stops a player from dumpstatting a mere one or two stats?Because honestly, what 4e character class is there that can afford to dumpstat 4 stats?  Is there one?  Is there any reason to think there might be one?And if the question is "what stops a character from having two dump stats," and the answer is "nothing," is this bad, and if so, how bad?Well, to a certain extent, in a class based system you're probably going to just have to deal with a certain amount of class based stat allocation.  So when it comes to the wizard who lifts weights, you may be out of luck.  But I understand the general principle.  I just don't see the problem based on what we know.Looking at the classes we know about (rogue and warlord), here's what I see.  I see reasons for to make a rogue who uses Str, Con, Dex obviously, Wis, and Cha.  The only dump stat I see is Int.  And with the Warlord, I see reasons to make warlords who use Str, Con, Dex, Int, Wis, and Cha.  Every single stat.Now, I don't see any reason for ONE PARTICULAR rogue or warlord to use all those stats.  For example, my high Wis rogue doesn't need Cha.  He'll probably dumpstat both Cha and Int.  But I don't think that's a problem.  When our dump stats are being handed out based on specific sub-builds of classes, I think its safe to say they're no longer true dump stats.  We're just seeing the regular process of a character class influencing the stats a character in that class uses.  And some of that is right and proper.</blockquote>

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