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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WhatGravitas" data-source="post: 4160480" data-attributes="member: 33132">I'm really torn on this subject. I've wrapped my head about D&D abilities and have started to include them into my adventures (or not), depending on my PCs. I have no issues with spells like speak like dead - I sometimes even require them. But I've learned it the hard way and learned how to deal with it - not without the help of some nudges from Monte Cook's articles on his old website.On the other hand, I've seen DMs fumbling with stuff like that, especially newer DMs and/or DMs, who draw heavy inspiration from other fantasy sources - novels, settings, whatever - and would run good games, if not for these abilities.Now, 4E has definitively tries to draw on new audience, so I see why they want to get closer to classical fantasy - and nothing bad in there. But I also see that people who are used to it and especially "Tacticians" (as defined by Robin's Laws of Good Gamemastering) are annoyed by it - they lose their tools to circumvent the plot. And that's bad for them.I guess that's due to the "Buttkicker"-ification of D&D. But in general, it's not bad, just a shift on playstyle. But I see where Derren is coming from, but then, we don't know how customizable D&D will be: It is possible that a lot of these Tactician-tools are coming back in the form of rituals, regulated by the DM. Or coming later, perhaps in books like Mouseferatu's Advanced PHB.EDIT: I've looked at your sig, Derren. That booklet is worth much more than the some pennies you have to pay for! And I guess 4E is, more than ever, dependent on a good DM, if you're not a buttkicker, so that Tacticians can get their kick. Right now, it's more geared towards buttkickers and casuals - but then, they are possible more common among D&D players. And MMORPGs are popular, because they appeal to these groups - if D&D can tap that playstyle, I see why it's good for the game - there are a lot of these guys out there!Cheers, LT.</blockquote>

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