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Will Monks become new 3.5 Fighter class?
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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5647114" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>I think Fighters are still the premier dip class, though Monk and others can certainly join their ranks. Really, with d10 HD, full BAB, great proficiencies, 6 + int skills with a good list, two good saves, and some EARLY entry feat options, Ranger may actually be the best dip, IMO. Mounted Ranger 2, for example, gets Trick Riding something like 6 levels early, so a mounted character can negate two hits per round on his steed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Style feats are mostly unimpressive to me and a lot outright weak. Crane Wing stands out as a solid, and very monk-themed pick. The higher level Crane Riposte isn't bad, either.</p><p></p><p>Snake Style itself I think looks better than it is; I'm skeptical a skill check can reliably top AC. It's be great for boosting touch AC, but that's the one thing monk's already awesome at. What makes Snake awesome is the 3rd feat (which makes it kinda costly to obtain), Snakebite. Getting two attacks as an immediate action is very good. That said, snake style's feats all seem to use immediate actions for something, making them hard to synergize with each other.</p><p></p><p>I'd like Dragon Style and Dragon Ferocity more if they made it explict that by doing 1.5x Str damage with unarmed, you get the 3-for-1 Power Attack deal. I THINK that's what should happen, but they kinda left that up in the air. It's also kinda lame that you can only ignore difficult terrain on charge/run/withdraw. Step of the Wind was a 1st level stance... The free shaken on all stunning fist attacks is nice. Dragon Roar, on the other hand, is hella awful, I'd never take it.</p><p>Boar Style may be a misprint, but if not...2d6 bleed is yummy. Boar Ferocity is similar to Enforcer and Cornugon Smash, but pretty much always works. It's a shame Intimidate isn't a class skill and cha is a dump stat for a monk, there'd be nice synergy there. Boar Shred seems lagely unnecessary to me. Both the bleed and the move action Intimidate.</p><p></p><p>None of the other styles stood out to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5647114, member: 35909"] I think Fighters are still the premier dip class, though Monk and others can certainly join their ranks. Really, with d10 HD, full BAB, great proficiencies, 6 + int skills with a good list, two good saves, and some EARLY entry feat options, Ranger may actually be the best dip, IMO. Mounted Ranger 2, for example, gets Trick Riding something like 6 levels early, so a mounted character can negate two hits per round on his steed. The Style feats are mostly unimpressive to me and a lot outright weak. Crane Wing stands out as a solid, and very monk-themed pick. The higher level Crane Riposte isn't bad, either. Snake Style itself I think looks better than it is; I'm skeptical a skill check can reliably top AC. It's be great for boosting touch AC, but that's the one thing monk's already awesome at. What makes Snake awesome is the 3rd feat (which makes it kinda costly to obtain), Snakebite. Getting two attacks as an immediate action is very good. That said, snake style's feats all seem to use immediate actions for something, making them hard to synergize with each other. I'd like Dragon Style and Dragon Ferocity more if they made it explict that by doing 1.5x Str damage with unarmed, you get the 3-for-1 Power Attack deal. I THINK that's what should happen, but they kinda left that up in the air. It's also kinda lame that you can only ignore difficult terrain on charge/run/withdraw. Step of the Wind was a 1st level stance... The free shaken on all stunning fist attacks is nice. Dragon Roar, on the other hand, is hella awful, I'd never take it. Boar Style may be a misprint, but if not...2d6 bleed is yummy. Boar Ferocity is similar to Enforcer and Cornugon Smash, but pretty much always works. It's a shame Intimidate isn't a class skill and cha is a dump stat for a monk, there'd be nice synergy there. Boar Shred seems lagely unnecessary to me. Both the bleed and the move action Intimidate. None of the other styles stood out to me. [/QUOTE]
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