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Will the 4E classes be deliberately unbalanced to get players to read?
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<blockquote data-quote="Cirex" data-source="post: 4208099" data-attributes="member: 63721"><p>"How surprising, your DMPC triggered a deadly trap. <strong>Again</strong>."</p><p></p><p></p><p>I tend to play optimized characters. Not at the level of CO forums, but well, a bit more optimized than the other players' characters. Why? Well, I'm not sure, it's probably my mentality. I barely got the chance to play, it's me always behind the DM screen. I get a bit bored if my player is not good at something, mechanically wise. I always put a nice amount of effort on roleplaying, no matter what character.</p><p></p><p>Last year, I managed to play three games (with three different characters) of a long campaign (I couldn't play the other days due scheduling problems) and the DM accused me of "ruining" the campaign. Let me explain this:</p><p>He's got some problems understanding rules, but puts a lot of effort, but, while DMing, tends to panic a lot if things don't go like planned (yes, rail-roading, etc.) and for some reason, that tends to happen if I'm around. I really try to stick to the plan and stuff, but sometimes it's more than that. I rolled a warlock and he raised an eyebrow at the unlimited Eldritch casts. I tried to explain it was in the rules (...) and it was like someone shooting with a box, with the difference that I could just shoot once per round. Well, he complained about every single thing I could do (spiderwalk and stuff) till the point I wanted to either change character or stop playing with him as DM. In short, the warlock was slain by a single critical hit of ~50 damage (I was level 5, enemy was barbarian orc with great axe). </p><p></p><p>Since I made that "optimized" warlock, all my characters are super powerful, to the point of almost cheating and etc. According to my DM, of course.</p><p>Second game, second character, a half-drow sorcerer with draconic heritage feats (another eye-brow raised). In short, the other PCs died in a battle-gone-wrong and I survived. The campaign was retaken with the other players retaking their old super powered characters and me falling into ostracism. Retired character...</p><p></p><p>So, third game, several months later. Final game of the campaign. The other PCs, super powered monsters (level 9, wearing wealth three times above the normal recommended by the DMG, like, items of +6 to a stat, etc.) with extra feats and stuff. I got to roll a character, so I go for a wizard. One expert in polymorph. Good, old, [broken] polymorph.</p><p></p><p>In short, I defeated one of the sub-bosses, supposed to be very hard for a team of 4 PCs and 2 DMPCs by myself, which already made the DM panic and "ruined" the game. He whined about it for months and the other day he was whining about it again. </p><p></p><p>He understood it like I was playing against him, not cooperative with the other players. I guess this thread is about this, 3.5 rewards people who read more and gets a more optimized character. I think it's fair. The game is still cooperative, players fighting together for a common objetive, friends spending a nice evening all together. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, unnecesary complaint about my DM to explain that I agree that people who spend more time building a character should have a more useful/powerful character. Balance should be kept among classes, not players.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cirex, post: 4208099, member: 63721"] "How surprising, your DMPC triggered a deadly trap. [b]Again[/b]." I tend to play optimized characters. Not at the level of CO forums, but well, a bit more optimized than the other players' characters. Why? Well, I'm not sure, it's probably my mentality. I barely got the chance to play, it's me always behind the DM screen. I get a bit bored if my player is not good at something, mechanically wise. I always put a nice amount of effort on roleplaying, no matter what character. Last year, I managed to play three games (with three different characters) of a long campaign (I couldn't play the other days due scheduling problems) and the DM accused me of "ruining" the campaign. Let me explain this: He's got some problems understanding rules, but puts a lot of effort, but, while DMing, tends to panic a lot if things don't go like planned (yes, rail-roading, etc.) and for some reason, that tends to happen if I'm around. I really try to stick to the plan and stuff, but sometimes it's more than that. I rolled a warlock and he raised an eyebrow at the unlimited Eldritch casts. I tried to explain it was in the rules (...) and it was like someone shooting with a box, with the difference that I could just shoot once per round. Well, he complained about every single thing I could do (spiderwalk and stuff) till the point I wanted to either change character or stop playing with him as DM. In short, the warlock was slain by a single critical hit of ~50 damage (I was level 5, enemy was barbarian orc with great axe). Since I made that "optimized" warlock, all my characters are super powerful, to the point of almost cheating and etc. According to my DM, of course. Second game, second character, a half-drow sorcerer with draconic heritage feats (another eye-brow raised). In short, the other PCs died in a battle-gone-wrong and I survived. The campaign was retaken with the other players retaking their old super powered characters and me falling into ostracism. Retired character... So, third game, several months later. Final game of the campaign. The other PCs, super powered monsters (level 9, wearing wealth three times above the normal recommended by the DMG, like, items of +6 to a stat, etc.) with extra feats and stuff. I got to roll a character, so I go for a wizard. One expert in polymorph. Good, old, [broken] polymorph. In short, I defeated one of the sub-bosses, supposed to be very hard for a team of 4 PCs and 2 DMPCs by myself, which already made the DM panic and "ruined" the game. He whined about it for months and the other day he was whining about it again. He understood it like I was playing against him, not cooperative with the other players. I guess this thread is about this, 3.5 rewards people who read more and gets a more optimized character. I think it's fair. The game is still cooperative, players fighting together for a common objetive, friends spending a nice evening all together. Ok, unnecesary complaint about my DM to explain that I agree that people who spend more time building a character should have a more useful/powerful character. Balance should be kept among classes, not players. [/QUOTE]
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