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<blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4208131" data-attributes="member: 59219">I guess where our opinions differ is here: some of my players WANT to play characters that are 'combat disadvantaged'...again, I freely admitted that this is what might make my group atypical.&nbsp; I don't think DMPCs should be used to do interesting things if a PC would be interested in playing that character.Absolutely you sometimes want to play the role of a brave fighter who can take on any challenge, or a mighty wizard that can huck spells about.&nbsp; But sometimes I want to play a craven wizard, or some other character that just stinks in battle.&nbsp; I like it when a DM understands that this is where my head is at - - I don't like it when the DM decides what character I will play, and that to a large extent is true if the DM is focused only on combat - - create a non-com PC, and you'll A) have nothing to do as you move from arena to arena, and B) you won't really be bored because you'll get killed in the first room so you can go do something else.I'm not a big fan of DMPCs I guess, either....I've rarely seen them done well - DMs either fall in love with them, and stat them in such a way that the party becomes the 'Companions of Mighty DuMPiC', or they become PMDs or ways for a DM to help the party, which removes the players from the game a bit.Again, it requires more work by the DM to do it right, and since few have lots of free time these days I can see the appeal of a game where all characters are combat savvy, since you can build an encounter that is just a beat-em-up and everyone can participate fully.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phloog, post: 4208131, member: 59219"] I guess where our opinions differ is here: some of my players WANT to play characters that are 'combat disadvantaged'...again, I freely admitted that this is what might make my group atypical. I don't think DMPCs should be used to do interesting things if a PC would be interested in playing that character. Absolutely you sometimes want to play the role of a brave fighter who can take on any challenge, or a mighty wizard that can huck spells about. But sometimes I want to play a craven wizard, or some other character that just stinks in battle. I like it when a DM understands that this is where my head is at - - I don't like it when the DM decides what character I will play, and that to a large extent is true if the DM is focused only on combat - - create a non-com PC, and you'll A) have nothing to do as you move from arena to arena, and B) you won't really be bored because you'll get killed in the first room so you can go do something else. I'm not a big fan of DMPCs I guess, either....I've rarely seen them done well - DMs either fall in love with them, and stat them in such a way that the party becomes the 'Companions of Mighty DuMPiC', or they become PMDs or ways for a DM to help the party, which removes the players from the game a bit. Again, it requires more work by the DM to do it right, and since few have lots of free time these days I can see the appeal of a game where all characters are combat savvy, since you can build an encounter that is just a beat-em-up and everyone can participate fully. [/QUOTE]

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