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<blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4208217" data-attributes="member: 59219">I'm not sure if you didn't understand me, or if you're just having fun...I don't believe I said I wanted a character that doesn't 'contribute in a fight'....I said I wanted to play a character that was no good at combat.&nbsp; Yes, if 4E makes it so everyone is good at combat, I could opt to not roll the dice, but it's hopelessly artificial...then I'm not playing a character ill-suited to combat, I'm playing a character who is awesome in combat, but chooses not to participate.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've got all these eldritch blasts in my pocket, but I don't feel like using them right now.What I want to play is a character that contributes to a 'fight' or an encounter, but can do so in character without being a combat equal to a warrior.&nbsp; This requires a DM willing to build encounters that engage the characters that are present, rather than building a series of fights where the only option is to slug it out.Will there be times when the only option is combat?&nbsp; Absolutely, and maybe during those times the weak wizard IS less of a contributor...but the same is true when you're attempting to break the magical spell trapping the baron.&nbsp; But it can be minimized if you design interesting encounters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phloog, post: 4208217, member: 59219"] I'm not sure if you didn't understand me, or if you're just having fun...I don't believe I said I wanted a character that doesn't 'contribute in a fight'....I said I wanted to play a character that was no good at combat. Yes, if 4E makes it so everyone is good at combat, I could opt to not roll the dice, but it's hopelessly artificial...then I'm not playing a character ill-suited to combat, I'm playing a character who is awesome in combat, but chooses not to participate. I've got all these eldritch blasts in my pocket, but I don't feel like using them right now. What I want to play is a character that contributes to a 'fight' or an encounter, but can do so in character without being a combat equal to a warrior. This requires a DM willing to build encounters that engage the characters that are present, rather than building a series of fights where the only option is to slug it out. Will there be times when the only option is combat? Absolutely, and maybe during those times the weak wizard IS less of a contributor...but the same is true when you're attempting to break the magical spell trapping the baron. But it can be minimized if you design interesting encounters. [/QUOTE]

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