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Message: <blockquote data-quote="thedungeondelver" data-source="post: 3481909" data-attributes="member: 34865">Bleaugh.To quote Michaleen Oge Flynn, "When I want water I'll drink...water.  And when I want whiskey, I'll drink whiskey."With all due respect to Mr. Cook, there's a (good, solid) system in place with the Jack Vance inspired magic rules for D&D.  I've seen and heard just about every variant in the book and so far all I've seen is stuff that puts magic-users way out of whack powerwise.  Then attempts to fix it that ridiculously overcorrect in the other direction.  WARHAMMER FANTASY ROLEPLAY has a fine magic system - for WARHAMMER.  I'm sure you could build a magic system (use the character generation system) from the CHAMPIONS rules - for use in CHAMPIONS.Once you strip away one D&D fundamental, why stop there?  Why classes - who's the DM to tell me my paladin can't pick pockets?  Why hit points - why not an injury table?  Why levels?  Why STR, INT, WIS, DEX, CON, CHA?  Why gold?  Why ...There are a great many things I know I can't change back about D&D.  God knows if I was calling the shots a great majority of you folks would be mighty unhappy with me.  But I tell you what - and you can roll your eyes and say "WHATEVER, grandpa" or "There he goes AGAIN" but you yank out too much more and no, it won't be D&D any more.</blockquote>