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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7095821" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>What makes him more of a Samurai than any other fighter? The Japanese warrior pattern would fight with weapons, certainly. In fact any unarmed/unarmored fighting concept was only a 19th Century thing that came about after their role in warfare was obsolete and they didn't have access to armor (or sometimes even arms) anymore. A Samurai would be master of the naginata, the daikyu, and perhaps one or more of several styles of sword depending on the period. They might also be familiar with a few other weapons, but its not likely. They certainly wouldn't fight unarmed unless forced to do so.</p><p></p><p>The dividing line between Martial, Qi, and Psionic is pretty hazy. They are all 'internal power', but just with slightly different thematics. Psionics are all sci-fantasy kind of modernistic 'mind over matter' (and could border into concepts like the Sorcerer if you think about it). Qi is themed 'eastern' and explained as arcane training/mastery of ancient techniques mixed with self discipline (and thus verges into things like wizards or clerics). Martial picks up the 'Charles Atlas Superpower' and 'Bad Assery' bits, but also verges into and is hard to distinguish from Qi (Bruce Wayne for instance constantly trains his mind and body, though in most sources he doesn't utilize 'eastern' techniques to do so). Heck, Charles Atlas constantly trained, its the trope, but if you compare that to a Shaolin Monk, is there really any light between the two? Charles Xavier did it all by standing around and exercising his mind, purely, so we can that these things cannot totally be lumped together, but they're still all merging at some point. </p><p></p><p>In a sense maybe 'power source' wasn't that great an idea. I mean, it works in some fashion to generally categorize, but its not a 'clean' facet. Divine and Arcane (and Elemental, really Shadow too) don't cleanly separate either. I think that its best to think about it in 4e as literally SOURCE in a very simple way and just decree that the universe works this way. You can get pretty much the same effect from Psionic/Qi as you can from Martial, but they are still manifestations of fundamentally different kinds of power. </p><p></p><p>That kind of says to me that while multi-sourced classes aren't ridiculous, they can exist according to the paradigm, they may not really be the best thematics. It might be better to just say "well, I achieved this melee weapon fighting effect using divine power, that's just how my class works!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7095821, member: 82106"] What makes him more of a Samurai than any other fighter? The Japanese warrior pattern would fight with weapons, certainly. In fact any unarmed/unarmored fighting concept was only a 19th Century thing that came about after their role in warfare was obsolete and they didn't have access to armor (or sometimes even arms) anymore. A Samurai would be master of the naginata, the daikyu, and perhaps one or more of several styles of sword depending on the period. They might also be familiar with a few other weapons, but its not likely. They certainly wouldn't fight unarmed unless forced to do so. The dividing line between Martial, Qi, and Psionic is pretty hazy. They are all 'internal power', but just with slightly different thematics. Psionics are all sci-fantasy kind of modernistic 'mind over matter' (and could border into concepts like the Sorcerer if you think about it). Qi is themed 'eastern' and explained as arcane training/mastery of ancient techniques mixed with self discipline (and thus verges into things like wizards or clerics). Martial picks up the 'Charles Atlas Superpower' and 'Bad Assery' bits, but also verges into and is hard to distinguish from Qi (Bruce Wayne for instance constantly trains his mind and body, though in most sources he doesn't utilize 'eastern' techniques to do so). Heck, Charles Atlas constantly trained, its the trope, but if you compare that to a Shaolin Monk, is there really any light between the two? Charles Xavier did it all by standing around and exercising his mind, purely, so we can that these things cannot totally be lumped together, but they're still all merging at some point. In a sense maybe 'power source' wasn't that great an idea. I mean, it works in some fashion to generally categorize, but its not a 'clean' facet. Divine and Arcane (and Elemental, really Shadow too) don't cleanly separate either. I think that its best to think about it in 4e as literally SOURCE in a very simple way and just decree that the universe works this way. You can get pretty much the same effect from Psionic/Qi as you can from Martial, but they are still manifestations of fundamentally different kinds of power. That kind of says to me that while multi-sourced classes aren't ridiculous, they can exist according to the paradigm, they may not really be the best thematics. It might be better to just say "well, I achieved this melee weapon fighting effect using divine power, that's just how my class works!" [/QUOTE]
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