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Will the upcoming UA Ranger subclasses be for the PHB or the variant Ranger class?
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<blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 6977723" data-attributes="member: 6777454"><p>It is absolutely adorable that the moderators on this site feel it is their personal purpose in life to mindlessly protect WotC from any criticism at all. Even more so than when WotC was running their own boards.</p><p></p><p>So putting what I previously stated a bit more diplomatically. Electronic game designers are willing to admit screw ups and fix them. And this is after doing considerably more playtesting than it is incredible clear that p&p games do.</p><p></p><p>But these d&d designers? It is clear they will play blind, deaf and stupid if that is what it takes to avoid admitting that they did an extremely poor job at balancing races, classes and feats. So we have to wait 10 years, a whole new edition, for any given element to be fixed.</p><p></p><p>That I find to be wholely unacceptable. Even card games, which may be a more fair comparison than video games, renew editions and fix broken cards within two years. If something central to the game sucks to the point of unusability, it will be given a better version, and if something is so strong it becomes effectively the only competitive option, it is nerfed.</p><p></p><p>The current imbalances between classes and races, while possibly not as bad as editions 1 to 3, is absolutely unacceptable as I simply refuse to believe that these are the results coming from unbiased competant humans actually trying their best to make the most enjoyable game for everyone.</p><p></p><p>The only thing more unacceptable is their unwillingness to fix the handful of busted options without reissuing a whole new phb, dmg and mm when it is really just a small number of components that need fixing.</p><p></p><p>If other game designers can admit mistakes and rectify them, the people designing this game ought to be able to get over their own egos and fix it.</p><p></p><p>And the fact that the people moderating this site are such sniveling sychophantic toadies that they feel it necessary to enshrine anyone who applies for and receives the job of tossing together rules for this game is absolutely pathetic. Have some damn self respect, why don't you? It is like Rotten Tomatoes punishing anyone who takes issue with a Michael Bay or M Night Shyamalan movie. You know, except those two men have more experience doing and training doing what they do than the people working on this game have.</p><p></p><p>And the fact that this whole thread is the result of the design team royally screwing up a class and begging for an official resolution, the fact that they are unwilling to admit to mistakes and fix them is pretty damn relevant.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>*Moderator edit*</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>Challenging moderation in public is against the rules. Attacking the moderation team after being asked to follow the rules is completely unacceptable.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>These boards are intended to be a friendly place. That's not going to change. If that's a problem for you, feel free to find another place on the internet that better suits your posting needs.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>As quoted above, on these boards, it's not acceptable to engage in personal attacks, name-calling, and other such nastiness. Someone being a game designer doesn't magically make them an acceptable target. Feel free to criticize RPG books all you want, but don't attack the person who wrote them. Much like you should always attack a poster's argument, but not the poster.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>When you come back, please keep <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_rules" target="_blank">the rules</a> in mind if you want to post.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>--Darkness,</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong>EN World moderator</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><strong></strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreenTengu, post: 6977723, member: 6777454"] It is absolutely adorable that the moderators on this site feel it is their personal purpose in life to mindlessly protect WotC from any criticism at all. Even more so than when WotC was running their own boards. So putting what I previously stated a bit more diplomatically. Electronic game designers are willing to admit screw ups and fix them. And this is after doing considerably more playtesting than it is incredible clear that p&p games do. But these d&d designers? It is clear they will play blind, deaf and stupid if that is what it takes to avoid admitting that they did an extremely poor job at balancing races, classes and feats. So we have to wait 10 years, a whole new edition, for any given element to be fixed. That I find to be wholely unacceptable. Even card games, which may be a more fair comparison than video games, renew editions and fix broken cards within two years. If something central to the game sucks to the point of unusability, it will be given a better version, and if something is so strong it becomes effectively the only competitive option, it is nerfed. The current imbalances between classes and races, while possibly not as bad as editions 1 to 3, is absolutely unacceptable as I simply refuse to believe that these are the results coming from unbiased competant humans actually trying their best to make the most enjoyable game for everyone. The only thing more unacceptable is their unwillingness to fix the handful of busted options without reissuing a whole new phb, dmg and mm when it is really just a small number of components that need fixing. If other game designers can admit mistakes and rectify them, the people designing this game ought to be able to get over their own egos and fix it. And the fact that the people moderating this site are such sniveling sychophantic toadies that they feel it necessary to enshrine anyone who applies for and receives the job of tossing together rules for this game is absolutely pathetic. Have some damn self respect, why don't you? It is like Rotten Tomatoes punishing anyone who takes issue with a Michael Bay or M Night Shyamalan movie. You know, except those two men have more experience doing and training doing what they do than the people working on this game have. And the fact that this whole thread is the result of the design team royally screwing up a class and begging for an official resolution, the fact that they are unwilling to admit to mistakes and fix them is pretty damn relevant. [color=red][b]*Moderator edit* Challenging moderation in public is against the rules. Attacking the moderation team after being asked to follow the rules is completely unacceptable. These boards are intended to be a friendly place. That's not going to change. If that's a problem for you, feel free to find another place on the internet that better suits your posting needs. As quoted above, on these boards, it's not acceptable to engage in personal attacks, name-calling, and other such nastiness. Someone being a game designer doesn't magically make them an acceptable target. Feel free to criticize RPG books all you want, but don't attack the person who wrote them. Much like you should always attack a poster's argument, but not the poster. When you come back, please keep [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_rules]the rules[/url] in mind if you want to post. --Darkness, EN World moderator [/b][/color] [/QUOTE]
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