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<blockquote data-quote="Iosue" data-source="post: 6093184" data-attributes="member: 6680772">But this is exactly my problem.&nbsp; I love BXCM.&nbsp; I love 4e.&nbsp; I have on my bookshelf various books, adventures, etc. from both, neither really usable with other without a heavy bit of conversion work, which I have neither the time nor inclination to do.&nbsp; I generally only get to play once, maybe twice a month.&nbsp; I'm at a point where really I have to make a choice -- do I devote my gaming time and resources to an old school Basic/Expert game, which I would dearly love to run?&nbsp; Or do I devote them to 4e, which I'm playing regularly, but doesn't scratch that particular itch?&nbsp; Out of the 6 to 7 guys who play regularly in my 4e group, only one seems interested in playing in a B/X game -- the others love 3e/4e style chargen much too much.&nbsp; Meanwhile, as our group goes up in level, I'm slowly but surely disliking 4e chargen more and more -- and that's with Essentials characters!&nbsp; I curse every time I hit the level up button on the CB and the Feat box lights up.&nbsp; I love playing the game, and I've loved running it when I have the opportunity.&nbsp; But I'm getting tired of wrestling the system everytime I make a new character, or one levels up, drowning in a sea of options, reskinning things so they fit my characters.So, what to do?&nbsp; But here we have Next.&nbsp; Here those guys who love high customizable chargen have the opportunity to do that, while I enjoy simple chargen, yet with variety.&nbsp; Here I can use my old B/X stuff with those characters, and even make it so it's not quite so lethal as B/X at low levels, and yet not so granular as 4e is, nor as grindy as it sometimes gets.&nbsp; Here I can get one set of rules, and one product line, and use them with my 4e group, and then flip the script and use them in an email game with my old family/friends group, none of whom are interested in 4e.And speaking generally, not specifically at you, Obryn, the tribalism that infects all discussions of Next is getting tiresome.&nbsp; Not just in the homogenization of &quot;Them&quot;, which is annoying enough, but the homogenization of &quot;Us&quot;.&nbsp; I'm a 4e player.&nbsp; It is, at the moment, all I play.&nbsp; I've got scads of material for it and a subscription to DDI.&nbsp; But I'm also excited by Next, for many of the same reasons I love 4e.&nbsp; And as many of the more vocal 4e proponents start circling the wagons, and the language gets more strident, and people say &quot;Next is the anti-4e,&quot; or &quot;Next is the F-you 4e fans edition&quot;, am sitting here thinking &quot;WTF?&quot;&nbsp; 4e fans aren't all the same.&nbsp; They have different likes and dislikes, different playstyles within the 4e rules.&nbsp; Mearls doesn't &quot;get&quot; 4e, goes the refrain.&nbsp; I dunno, he seemed to have gotten how I like to play D&amp;D and how I like to use 4e to do it pretty well.&nbsp; So I guess I don't &quot;get&quot; 4e, either?&nbsp; Except that before 5e was announced, that wasn't what was said.&nbsp; 4e wasn't some sui generis game that only a few could get.What's especially frustrating for me is that before the announcement, there would be huge arguments where people would, IMO, take some 4e statement (like, say, &quot;Skip the guards and get to the fun!&quot;) and interpret it in the absolute worst possible light.&nbsp; Everytime WotC said something like, &quot;In 3e, X was a problem, so we've tried to fix it with Y,&quot; some folks would howl &quot;WotC is shitting on my game!&quot;&nbsp; And after going through all that, a lot of 4e fans are doing the same damn thing.&nbsp; And it's not so bad here at EN World, but it's there.There are certain &quot;old school&quot; forums that I rarely or no longer visit, because no matter how great the resources for TSR-era gaming, the vitriolic attitudes towards the newer editions poisoned the whole thing for me.&nbsp; Next threads are rapidly approaching that experience for me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Iosue, post: 6093184, member: 6680772"] But this is exactly my problem. I love BXCM. I love 4e. I have on my bookshelf various books, adventures, etc. from both, neither really usable with other without a heavy bit of conversion work, which I have neither the time nor inclination to do. I generally only get to play once, maybe twice a month. I'm at a point where really I have to make a choice -- do I devote my gaming time and resources to an old school Basic/Expert game, which I would dearly love to run? Or do I devote them to 4e, which I'm playing regularly, but doesn't scratch that particular itch? Out of the 6 to 7 guys who play regularly in my 4e group, only one seems interested in playing in a B/X game -- the others love 3e/4e style chargen much too much. Meanwhile, as our group goes up in level, I'm slowly but surely disliking 4e chargen more and more -- and that's with Essentials characters! I curse every time I hit the level up button on the CB and the Feat box lights up. I love [i]playing[/i] the game, and I've loved running it when I have the opportunity. But I'm getting tired of wrestling the system everytime I make a new character, or one levels up, drowning in a sea of options, reskinning things so they fit my characters. So, what to do? But here we have Next. Here those guys who love high customizable chargen have the opportunity to do that, while I enjoy simple chargen, yet with variety. Here I can use my old B/X stuff with those characters, and even make it so it's not quite so lethal as B/X at low levels, and yet not so granular as 4e is, nor as grindy as it sometimes gets. Here I can get one set of rules, and one product line, and use them with my 4e group, and then flip the script and use them in an email game with my old family/friends group, none of whom are interested in 4e. And speaking generally, not specifically at you, Obryn, the tribalism that infects all discussions of Next is getting tiresome. Not just in the homogenization of "Them", which is annoying enough, but the homogenization of "Us". I'm a 4e player. It is, at the moment, all I play. I've got scads of material for it and a subscription to DDI. But I'm also excited by Next, for many of the same reasons I love 4e. And as many of the more vocal 4e proponents start circling the wagons, and the language gets more strident, and people say "Next is the anti-4e," or "Next is the F-you 4e fans edition", am sitting here thinking "WTF?" 4e fans aren't all the same. They have different likes and dislikes, different playstyles within the 4e rules. Mearls doesn't "get" 4e, goes the refrain. I dunno, he seemed to have gotten how I like to play D&D and how I like to use 4e to do it pretty well. So I guess I don't "get" 4e, either? Except that before 5e was announced, that wasn't what was said. 4e wasn't some sui generis game that only a few could get. What's especially frustrating for me is that before the announcement, there would be huge arguments where people would, IMO, take some 4e statement (like, say, "Skip the guards and get to the fun!") and interpret it in the absolute worst possible light. Everytime WotC said something like, "In 3e, X was a problem, so we've tried to fix it with Y," some folks would howl "WotC is shitting on my game!" And after going through all that, a lot of 4e fans are doing the same damn thing. And it's not so bad here at EN World, but it's there. There are certain "old school" forums that I rarely or no longer visit, because no matter how great the resources for TSR-era gaming, the vitriolic attitudes towards the newer editions poisoned the whole thing for me. Next threads are rapidly approaching that experience for me. [/QUOTE]

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