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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6099179" data-attributes="member: 82106">My answer WRT to magic is the same as yours, which is essentially "there is no logic, its magic, it can work any old way we want". It could be that using powers builds up, dissipates, or otherwise affects magical energies, so daily powers are ones that can only be used once a day practically, etc. If you wish you allow for exceptions, either areas/situations/practices that allow for some recharge/additional use (various items and feats already exist to facilitate this) or the DM can allow for the use of skills/page 42 in magical ways (some feats already enter into this territory, such as Arcane Mutterings). Thus a character might re-use a daily power in some dire circumstance with some Arcana checks required to avoid 'problems' (these could be quite fun, including magical curses/diseases, damage, unwanted effects, whatever the DM comes up with). Clearly you don't want to go too far with this, and with magic you really shouldn't have to, but a little bit can go a long ways towards presenting magic as a less structured and more mysterious force.WRT martial and similar sorts of things that might be considered less inherently magical the real question is just how big a deal is it? Most of a fighter's powers are pretty similar. Even a low level fighter is highly likely to have a variety of powers that overlap in effects. I could give examples but they should be pretty obvious, the fighter who's M.O. is hitting hard (Reaping Strike, Brute Strike, etc), the one who uses his shield to force enemies back, (Tide of Iron, Unstoppable Advance, etc). Even if you have only one instance of a trick in the form of a power there are MANY feats that can provide some sort of repeatable trick, and you always still have page 42. There's little reason to need to see any given tactic as vested purely in a single power that you can only use once per day/encounter. They key to fun 4e PCs IMHO is theme. What sort of character are you? How is your personality expressed in your combat tactics? Maybe my character is the survivor of an orc massacre. He takes up the fighting style of sword and shield, trained in the army he joined to fight the hated orcs. Eventually he feels frustrated and limited, he wants to take the fight to the orcs and make them feel it! He becomes an adventurer. He uses his shield tactics to keep his allies safe, no loosing MORE people he cares about! (he won't admit they mean anything to him though. He's got lots of aggressive pushing and pinning tactics, this guy has plenty of aggression. He'll wade in with Tide of Iron and start pinning down and positioning his opponents for the kill. If he found himself out of powers he might well try a stunt to use his shield to slow or immobilize an enemy briefly if that made tactical sense.</blockquote>

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