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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Derro" data-source="post: 4050088" data-attributes="member: 51010">Statistically the odds are actually in the party's favor with the inclusion of the sand giant. But statistics don't mean squat when a huge, flying lizard is strafing your party with lightning every 6 to 24 seconds. Your party is severely lacking in both arcane blasting power and healing on any meaningful scale. That would be less of a problem if the battle were indoors and they could keep the big bugger grounded. At least then the melee might of the sand giant, fighter, and half-ogre would get some play.No reasonable amount of free spell power will even these odds. Owl's wisdom provides a scant +2 Will save bonus. With a frightful presence DC of 23 even your high will savers (Sorcerer and Cleric) fail over half the time.Without unbelievable luck and tactics to rival Sun-Tzu I'd say it's probably all ash and ozone for this lot. That being said don't be afraid to run the encounter. Have the dragon destroy the NPCs, severely wound one or two PCs and then make the rest his indentured servants. Well, that's what I would do.If it's just a fight you are looking for I'd take Big Blue out of the picture. Perhaps the party could make their way into his territory and battle it out with some spawn. Blues are very crafty and would not have an easily accessible or even findable lair. The party could wander around forever in the desert trying to figure out where he is.It was stated above and I agree 100%. Dragons are tougher than their CR would lead you to believe. The gestalt of their abilities and just the simple potency of the dragon type (HD, BAB, and Saves all at maximum) means they are, in my experience, about 20% more potent than CR indicates.Do your peeps a favor. Half dragon up a half dozen gynosphinxes (or whatever, it's the only CR 8 in a desert that isn't undead or already a dragon). Good fight, less PC death. More smiling, less crying.</blockquote>

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