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<blockquote data-quote="RCanning" data-source="post: 1588735" data-attributes="member: 18344"><p>OK. Here is what I have learned about DRM PDF by doing a lot of reading and talking to people today.</p><p></p><p>DRM locked PDFs will only load on a limited number of systems. Some people say 6, others say lots, Adobe says 1. Either way, it is limited.</p><p></p><p>If your HDD crashes, or you have to reload your OS, it takes another one of those turns you have. If you upgrade your computer, there goes another, if you take it somewhere to get it printed; another one bites the dust.</p><p></p><p>Say in 2 years time you upgrade your computer, but you have changed email addresses (which is your ID username), if you don't remember your password, or have not used it in a while, then you will not be able to open the PDF, as you wont have access to the email they will send with the re-actifivation verification.</p><p></p><p>If Adobe or MS start charging for their logins, you will be forced to pay to use the product you have already paid for.</p><p></p><p>Here is the fun one. There is no guarantee that if DTRPG change their policy by either removing DRM or upgrading to a new version, the product you already have will not be able to be registered. I have been talking to people who have used DRM, and when a new version was released, all the people who were using original files had to get them again. With DTRPG, that means purchasing them again; so if DTRPG do an update to their software, you might have to pay for a book you have already bought.</p><p></p><p>DRM does not mean you are buying a product, you are leasing it for as long as they decide you are able to use it, or as long as they keep supporting it; if either or both of these change, you are left out in the dark.</p><p></p><p>This is all ignoring the problems that people are having trying to legitimately trying to use the product they have downloaded. I got the free PDF from Malhavoc, and so far no one has been able to open it. My wife went as far as taking it to a print centre that specialises in Adobe stuff, and with my username and password they could not get it to work. Acrobat Reader kept directing them to some site to do with DTRPG, but they could not get the file to open. They even confirmed how we saved it and they agreed we had done it the right way.</p><p></p><p>So, problems are happening, and the worst part is not what is happening now, but what will happen in the future when people lose access to the files they have.</p><p></p><p>If you read the Adobe release on DRM (which I just looked for again but could not find) it stated it was designed to give corporations a level of security by being able to control an employees ability to take documents off site, or to control what they could do with them. Nothing I read indicated that it was designed for this sort of use, and that is why it is awful at it.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and while I am on it, it is not possible to de-register a computer that has been signed on for an Adobe ID. This means if you take your document anywhere for printing, not only do they use up one of your computer slots, but they can use your ID if they download anything that is DRM protected, you cant log the computer out. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>These are all concerns, not just to the privacy issue, but to the quality of the product being sold. To use a BAD analogy: It is like buying a car that requires a special kind of fuel that has no guarantee of being available from any point the moment I drive away, with no ability to do anything about it if they stop selling the fuel tomorrow. I said it was a bad analogy.</p><p></p><p>So far everything I have read on this issue indicates that documents stop working shortly after the conditions of inital use change. The technology works for in house docuements that are used for 2-4 months and then archived, but for something that is going to get continual use for more than a year, it breaks and the files become inaccessable.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what legal standpoint this will have when people start complaining that the product they paid for has stopped working. I guess that DTRPG will say "There is no warranty on software" and let the buyer lose out.</p><p></p><p>I have been looking into this a lot because I understand where the publishers are coming from; but there is no indication anywhere that DRM works for this purpose.</p><p></p><p>They would be better off using a real-time PDF encoder, and when someone purchases a PDF it is fully locked down and can't be read/copied/printed without the document password which is encoded specifically for the user. It offers the same level of security against pirates (almost none), but does not rely on external sites and companies for your files to stay alive.</p><p></p><p>Richard Canning</p><p></p><p><strong>Update:</strong> Found the <a href="http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200402/021704POLICYSERVER.html" target="_blank">Adobe Information</a>. It does not use the term DRM, but was linked to off one of their sites that mentiones the DRM as a feature.</p><p></p><p>Note the following...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RCanning, post: 1588735, member: 18344"] OK. Here is what I have learned about DRM PDF by doing a lot of reading and talking to people today. DRM locked PDFs will only load on a limited number of systems. Some people say 6, others say lots, Adobe says 1. Either way, it is limited. If your HDD crashes, or you have to reload your OS, it takes another one of those turns you have. If you upgrade your computer, there goes another, if you take it somewhere to get it printed; another one bites the dust. Say in 2 years time you upgrade your computer, but you have changed email addresses (which is your ID username), if you don't remember your password, or have not used it in a while, then you will not be able to open the PDF, as you wont have access to the email they will send with the re-actifivation verification. If Adobe or MS start charging for their logins, you will be forced to pay to use the product you have already paid for. Here is the fun one. There is no guarantee that if DTRPG change their policy by either removing DRM or upgrading to a new version, the product you already have will not be able to be registered. I have been talking to people who have used DRM, and when a new version was released, all the people who were using original files had to get them again. With DTRPG, that means purchasing them again; so if DTRPG do an update to their software, you might have to pay for a book you have already bought. DRM does not mean you are buying a product, you are leasing it for as long as they decide you are able to use it, or as long as they keep supporting it; if either or both of these change, you are left out in the dark. This is all ignoring the problems that people are having trying to legitimately trying to use the product they have downloaded. I got the free PDF from Malhavoc, and so far no one has been able to open it. My wife went as far as taking it to a print centre that specialises in Adobe stuff, and with my username and password they could not get it to work. Acrobat Reader kept directing them to some site to do with DTRPG, but they could not get the file to open. They even confirmed how we saved it and they agreed we had done it the right way. So, problems are happening, and the worst part is not what is happening now, but what will happen in the future when people lose access to the files they have. If you read the Adobe release on DRM (which I just looked for again but could not find) it stated it was designed to give corporations a level of security by being able to control an employees ability to take documents off site, or to control what they could do with them. Nothing I read indicated that it was designed for this sort of use, and that is why it is awful at it. Oh, and while I am on it, it is not possible to de-register a computer that has been signed on for an Adobe ID. This means if you take your document anywhere for printing, not only do they use up one of your computer slots, but they can use your ID if they download anything that is DRM protected, you cant log the computer out. :) These are all concerns, not just to the privacy issue, but to the quality of the product being sold. To use a BAD analogy: It is like buying a car that requires a special kind of fuel that has no guarantee of being available from any point the moment I drive away, with no ability to do anything about it if they stop selling the fuel tomorrow. I said it was a bad analogy. So far everything I have read on this issue indicates that documents stop working shortly after the conditions of inital use change. The technology works for in house docuements that are used for 2-4 months and then archived, but for something that is going to get continual use for more than a year, it breaks and the files become inaccessable. I don't know what legal standpoint this will have when people start complaining that the product they paid for has stopped working. I guess that DTRPG will say "There is no warranty on software" and let the buyer lose out. I have been looking into this a lot because I understand where the publishers are coming from; but there is no indication anywhere that DRM works for this purpose. They would be better off using a real-time PDF encoder, and when someone purchases a PDF it is fully locked down and can't be read/copied/printed without the document password which is encoded specifically for the user. It offers the same level of security against pirates (almost none), but does not rely on external sites and companies for your files to stay alive. Richard Canning [B]Update:[/B] Found the [URL=http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200402/021704POLICYSERVER.html]Adobe Information[/URL]. It does not use the term DRM, but was linked to off one of their sites that mentiones the DRM as a feature. Note the following... [/QUOTE]
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