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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8900109" data-attributes="member: 18">I think this is a bit like "The only company that can kill WoW is Blizzard".The only people who can kill D&D are WotC.PF1 would never have taken off if WotC hadn't taken 4E in a specific direction (attempting to make that $50m/pa Hasbro demanded).So I think there could be another PF, but only WotC does something really wild, beyond the OGL 1.1/2.0/etc. I don't think it's at all likely to happen with 5E in the short term (i.e. next 2-5 years). A more likely scenario (though not probable imho!) would be that, 1D&D increasingly deviates from what most 5E-era players liked, and more towards being a sort of quasi-videogame, with more and more rules boiled down and taken out of DM hands with updates to the rules (5E is a great deal more DM-dependent than 3.XE or 4E, by design!), and more and more content (species, classes, subclass, adventures, etc.) is made "exclusive" for the 3D VTT.Even if a lot of players are very upset, if whales are buying enough virtual minis, virtual dice, dungeon tiles, and so on, it could easily be that the 3D VTT makes enough money that WotC just wants to keep double-downing on that.At that point, which is probably at least 5 years away, I'd be unsurprised to see a PF-type situation emerge, in which an awful lot of D&D players flow over to a 5E clone (probably also incorporating any well-regarded changes from 1D&D). If there's a big podcast or TikToker or whatever social media is doing in 5 years where the players play that version and make it look cool, that'll probably factor in.Another perhaps more likely "WotC kills D&D" scenario is if the 3D VTT totally fails to make enough money to justify the vast expense of creating it and continuing to develop it, and Hasbro decides that the smart move is either:1) Stop making D&D stuff, like let 1D&D continue, but just go to an absolutely minimal level of support, just sort of keep it as placeholder.Or2) Vault D&D's IP for a bit so they can bring it back with fanfare in a few years (something were apparently threatening in the pre-4E era).In that case it would be easy to see a game which developed from 5E/1D&D taking over the role.Because they didn't change course on the worst bit. I know you keep saying you don't care about that bit, and that the OGL 2.0 is "fine", but pretty much no-one else agrees, hence they're calling them Evil inc or whatever. I don't think anyone needs to rejustify this to you, either - if you can say "see my earlier post", we can all say "see dozens of our earlier posts" lol.</blockquote>

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