Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7444334" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Objectively from a historical PoV you can find plenty of examples where trying to stop change or speed it up have blown up and made things worse and counter productive to whatever the people were actually trying to achieve.  German conservatives giving Austria a blank check to rally the nation around the flag and overthrowing the Tsar would be prime examples of conservatives/progressives dropping the ball and making things worse. Hell you would have had a better outcome in 1914 if everyone stayed at home and had a national lottery to randomly execute 50 000 of your own citizens would have been cheaper and saved lives vs fighting WW1.  Similar theory in USA politics I suppose. If you aggressive push a social engineering agenda you annoy the conservatives and Trump gets elected. Trumps annoying a lot of people the effects of that will be clear in the 2018 mid terms and/or 2020 elections. If you do nothing sure you may not get the change you want (liberal or conservative) as fast as you want, but you don't take a massive step backwards when you get annihilated at the national level in elections (2008 or 2016 same thing really). Can't get progressive laws passed if you're in opposition or lose control of the senate, congress, presidency and the supreme court.  Here we had a right wing government pass the human rights bill covering discrimination against sexuality, a left wing government made prostitution legal and when they got voted out the right wing government left it in place. Having a government that works funny concept that. Sometimes waiting 10 years or doing nothing is the better play IMHO.</blockquote>

Verification