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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 2722416" data-attributes="member: 944">Hmm Dragons.Interestingly for a game ostendably about the big Lizards I've never Dm'd or played in a game with one as an encounter. This is an artifact of my play style (more Howard and Lieber than epic) and for the fact I am too scared to spring one on my dumb players  In my test runs (for 3e) though I've noticed that played even with a modicum of craft and guile an adult Red can make has of less prepared players into its lunch With flight, breath weapon and its spells Dragonc can challenege most parties above its CR -- throw in players who don't have a real good understanding of the rules (like Buffs, Fly/Invis, and resoucre use) and you the recipe for a TPKNo for my uses I would prefer to be rid of the heradric (metal and color) based dragons. I would prefer either 5 (fire, water etc) or maybe Wyrm (legless) True Dragon (Flyer) and a Water Drake maybe with more "sciency" breath weaponsI don't think the game would be served by this mind you -- only my campaign --as for D&D itself -- more is better and I say bring back purples and browns and yellows (with the salt breath weapon) and all that jazz-- I'll never use em but a lot of people will item --- EN Arsenal Shields or Lycienan Arcanum</blockquote>