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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 3813013" data-attributes="member: 467">The difference was that 3e ultimate *was* D&amp;D.&nbsp; Now, it isn't my favorite iteration of D&amp;D -- what can I say, I like charts and wonky subsystems -- but what ended up in the core books, what WotC produced and Paizo produced, were *very* D&amp;D.&nbsp; All the old archetypes were there.&nbsp; Nearly all the sacred cows were there.&nbsp; There were new mechanics to deal with, and things like unrestricted race/class combos were a bit irritating, but D&amp;D 3E embraced the core of what was D&amp;D, after a very tumultuous late 2nd edition.&nbsp; 4E is exactly the opposite.&nbsp; All that &quot;growth&quot; and &quot;evolution&quot; that's occurred in the last couple of years with 3E -- that's what is forming the core of 4E.&nbsp; Not to mention the &quot;change every piece of fluff you can find&quot; attitude so prevalent in the previews.In short: you're wrong.Again, you're wrong. 3E was targetted at those people that had abandoned 2E for becoming too &quot;un-D&amp;D-like&quot;.&nbsp; 4E is embracing those people and telling the rest of us to shove off, they'll find players on the WoW/GW message boards.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 3813013, member: 467"] The difference was that 3e ultimate *was* D&D. Now, it isn't my favorite iteration of D&D -- what can I say, I like charts and wonky subsystems -- but what ended up in the core books, what WotC produced and Paizo produced, were *very* D&D. All the old archetypes were there. Nearly all the sacred cows were there. There were new mechanics to deal with, and things like unrestricted race/class combos were a bit irritating, but D&D 3E [i][b]embraced[/b][/i][b][/b] the core of what was D&D, after a very tumultuous late 2nd edition. 4E is exactly the opposite. All that "growth" and "evolution" that's occurred in the last couple of years with 3E -- that's what is forming the core of 4E. Not to mention the "change every piece of fluff you can find" attitude so prevalent in the previews. In short: you're wrong. Again, you're wrong. 3E was targetted at those people that had abandoned 2E for becoming too "un-D&D-like". 4E is embracing those people and telling the rest of us to shove off, they'll find players on the WoW/GW message boards. [/QUOTE]

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