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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3813434" data-attributes="member: 198">I see your point, and I'm all for using flavor at the table to push for different tones, but mechanics will still have some influence on the flavor. If a character is able to shove ogres over on a roll of 4 or higher on a d20 and has a Domino Push feat which lets him knock over four ogres in a line, it's a lot harder to describe the act as &quot;character struggles, breathing hard, pushing himself to the limit to get that ogre over the edge.&quot; Whereas if the character is having to roll a 19 or higher and is fatigued after the action, it's a lot easier to do so. Tell the player of a D&amp;D PC with 200 hp that his character takes a bone-crushing blow that almost takes him off his feet and then tell him he took 20 hp damage and he'll be confused, because flavor and mechanics were at odds. Tell him the same thing and tell him the giant critted his PC for 150 hp, and he's a lot more likely to buy the description. Flavor and mechanics do affect each other, IMNSHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 3813434, member: 198"] I see your point, and I'm all for using flavor at the table to push for different tones, but mechanics will still have some influence on the flavor. If a character is able to shove ogres over on a roll of 4 or higher on a d20 and has a Domino Push feat which lets him knock over four ogres in a line, it's a lot harder to describe the act as "character struggles, breathing hard, pushing himself to the limit to get that ogre over the edge." Whereas if the character is having to roll a 19 or higher and is fatigued after the action, it's a lot easier to do so. Tell the player of a D&D PC with 200 hp that his character takes a bone-crushing blow that almost takes him off his feet and then tell him he took 20 hp damage and he'll be confused, because flavor and mechanics were at odds. Tell him the same thing and tell him the giant critted his PC for 150 hp, and he's a lot more likely to buy the description. Flavor and mechanics do affect each other, IMNSHO. [/QUOTE]

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