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<blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 482335" data-attributes="member: 537">Other than some items in OA, are there _any_ items that pump up only one save?Also, at high levels having good saves is a must. Cloaks of resistance (or equivalent) are had by every high-level character I've seen so far. You don't want to take any chances against those instakill spells.Getting back to Charisma: the reason it's a dump stat is basically because it has little relevance to 3E's core mission: killing monsters and taking their treasure. Unless you're a sorc or paladin, you're probably only going to use Cha for social interaction, and there's not much call for that in the middle of a fight. An individual campaign, of course, may feature more social interaction than the norm, but then Cha isn't going to be a dump stat for these campaigns either.So the best solution to the dump stat problem, IMO, is to make Cha relevant to this mission of killing monsters and taking their treasure. I have a bunch of <a href="http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/cha_feats.htm" target="_blank">feats</a> on my D&amp;D page that try to address this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hong, post: 482335, member: 537"] Other than some items in OA, are there _any_ items that pump up only one save? Also, at high levels having good saves is a must. Cloaks of resistance (or equivalent) are had by every high-level character I've seen so far. You don't want to take any chances against those instakill spells. Getting back to Charisma: the reason it's a dump stat is basically because it has little relevance to 3E's core mission: killing monsters and taking their treasure. Unless you're a sorc or paladin, you're probably only going to use Cha for social interaction, and there's not much call for that in the middle of a fight. An individual campaign, of course, may feature more social interaction than the norm, but then Cha isn't going to be a dump stat for these campaigns either. So the best solution to the dump stat problem, IMO, is to make Cha relevant to this mission of killing monsters and taking their treasure. I have a bunch of [url="http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/cha_feats.htm"]feats[/url] on my D&D page that try to address this. [/QUOTE]

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