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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4059079" data-attributes="member: 1656">That's right.But consider the Defending magic weapon special ability, which allows you to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus as an unnamed bonus to AC.&nbsp; Now let's posit a hypothetical &quot;Resisting&quot; magic weapon special ability, which allows you to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus as an unnamed bonus to saves.If I have a +5 Defending Resisting longsword, can I transfer +4 to AC and +4 to saves in the same round?Firstly, there's dispute as to whether or not the &quot;Wisdom bonus&quot; is unnamed - it's a bonus that is defined by a word that appears in front of it.&nbsp; (This is where RangerWickett is coming from, I believe.)Secondly, you're saying that if someone has a +4 Wisdom bonus, then &quot;add your Wisdom bonus to AC&quot; actually means &quot;create an unnamed bonus to AC that's the same size as your Wisdom bonus, and add that to AC&quot;.&nbsp; In this case, three abilities will sum to +12, because you're creating three different unnamed bonuses, each of +4.&nbsp; Glass is saying that &quot;add your Wisdom bonus to AC&quot; means &quot;Your Wisdom bonus can be included in that calculation of AC&quot;.&nbsp; Three abilities all give you the same permission - you can include your Wisdom bonus when calculating AC.&nbsp; So with permission from three sources, you add +4 to AC.The wording is different, but is it mechanically different?&nbsp; As long as the number is positive, your Wisdom modifier is a bonus... does &quot;Add your Wisdom modifier as a bonus to AC&quot;, when that modifier is positive, actually mean something other than &quot;Add your Wisdom bonus to AC&quot;?&nbsp; Contrast with &quot;Add a bonus equal to your Wisdom modifier&quot;, which unambiguously creates a separate modifier, with &quot;Add your Wisdom modifier as a bonus&quot;, which does not - it's n ot a different bonus being added... it is still your Wisdom bonus.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4059079, member: 1656"] That's right. But consider the Defending magic weapon special ability, which allows you to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus as an unnamed bonus to AC. Now let's posit a hypothetical "Resisting" magic weapon special ability, which allows you to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus as an unnamed bonus to saves. If I have a +5 Defending Resisting longsword, can I transfer +4 to AC and +4 to saves in the same round? Firstly, there's dispute as to whether or not the "Wisdom bonus" is unnamed - it's a bonus that is defined by a word that appears in front of it. (This is where RangerWickett is coming from, I believe.) Secondly, you're saying that if someone has a +4 Wisdom bonus, then "add your Wisdom bonus to AC" actually means "create an unnamed bonus to AC that's the same size as your Wisdom bonus, and add that to AC". In this case, three abilities will sum to +12, because you're creating three different unnamed bonuses, each of +4. Glass is saying that "add your Wisdom bonus to AC" means "Your Wisdom bonus can be included in that calculation of AC". Three abilities all give you the same permission - you can include your Wisdom bonus when calculating AC. So with permission from three sources, you add +4 to AC. The wording is different, but is it mechanically different? As long as the number is positive, your Wisdom modifier [i]is[/i] a bonus... does "Add your Wisdom modifier as a bonus to AC", when that modifier is positive, actually mean something other than "Add your Wisdom bonus to AC"? Contrast with "Add a bonus equal to your Wisdom modifier", which unambiguously creates a separate modifier, with "Add your Wisdom modifier as a bonus", which does not - it's n ot a [i]different[/i] bonus being added... it is still your Wisdom bonus. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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