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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5927048" data-attributes="member: 54877">I think that is probably the best route if determined to keep the traditional six ability scores. The other option is to make Wis only about awareness/perception, roll the "strength of will" stuff into Cha, and then give Int more space elsewhere. In real life, the kind of observation/perception/awareness/acute senses that would matter in a D&D world has very little to do with either Int or Wis, at least as people would normally understand the terms. It is mainly its own thing. Spotting hidden things is a skill and/or talent that seems to be fairly evenly distributed across a very divergent population when it comes to "intelligence" or "wisdom". (I believe this is why the US military has a separate section testing perception and observation directly, on the aptitude test that they provide to students leaving high school.) As it happens, I've been rereading the complete Sherlock Holmes. Again and again, Holmes tells Watson that he sees all the same things. (This is even mostly true.) But he doesn't observe them. His mind doesn't go through the complete list, looking for the ones that are important and temporarily filing away the ones that are not. And certainly, the Int comes in that Holmes has trained himself to fit the important ones into the puzzle, sometimes very rapidly. Personally, if it were up to me, I'd do something that would never fly: I'd make Cha only about force of personality (as it mostly has been), Wis about nothing but willpower and insight (with perhaps a bit of "danger sense " intuition thrown in), and then Int about raw cunning, observation, and perception--and only that. Then I'd leave the broader bits of "intelligence" out of the stats entirely, as mostly a bad business that really belongs under training. This would necessarily give the traditional "wizard" a different slant, but I'd take that trade for all the other benefits. Maybe the fact that all versions of D&D have had to scrounge for something substantial for Int to do should tell us something ... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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