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<blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5524138" data-attributes="member: 762"><p>I loved the first book. Extremely well plotted and well-paced. The second book had some good elements but the pacing was horrible the fairy subplot was awful and the Adem subplot had some issues for me. But mostly, Rothfus leaves so much open that I can't see how he can possibly finish in one more book. My current theory is that the 3rd book will wrap up the subplot to the near present or near present and there will be a further trilogy from there. If not there will have to be an awful lot in the last book or it will have to move very very fast.</p><p></p><p>On the Mary Sue angle (possible spoilers ahead):</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Kvothe is telling the story, and as an old psych professor once told me "you're always the hero in your own story." Even if he is trying to tell it "warts and all." And even in the story he doesn't always succeed. His confrontations with Ambrose, for example, he may get in his shots but overall Ambrose tends to come out on top.</p><p></p><p>When in the "real world" the current Kvothe (as opposed to the one in the story) is shown as essentially a broken man: he's running from something and in hiding. When he tried sympathy (which per the story he's good at) it failed miserably, when he tried to use Ketan (essentially martial arts) he gets the snot beaten out of him by 2 thugs. He may be a Mary Sue in his story (and even there he fails often and I wouldn't actually classify him as such) but in the real world he not only fails often it's implied he failed big time and is a shadow of his former self as a result. I actually think this must be Rothfus in a way satirizing the Mary Sue concept.</p><p></p><p>Anyway - great series but I think the second one suffers from "second book syndrome" where it drags and seems to bite off a bit more than it can chew.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mort, post: 5524138, member: 762"] I loved the first book. Extremely well plotted and well-paced. The second book had some good elements but the pacing was horrible the fairy subplot was awful and the Adem subplot had some issues for me. But mostly, Rothfus leaves so much open that I can't see how he can possibly finish in one more book. My current theory is that the 3rd book will wrap up the subplot to the near present or near present and there will be a further trilogy from there. If not there will have to be an awful lot in the last book or it will have to move very very fast. On the Mary Sue angle (possible spoilers ahead): Kvothe is telling the story, and as an old psych professor once told me "you're always the hero in your own story." Even if he is trying to tell it "warts and all." And even in the story he doesn't always succeed. His confrontations with Ambrose, for example, he may get in his shots but overall Ambrose tends to come out on top. When in the "real world" the current Kvothe (as opposed to the one in the story) is shown as essentially a broken man: he's running from something and in hiding. When he tried sympathy (which per the story he's good at) it failed miserably, when he tried to use Ketan (essentially martial arts) he gets the snot beaten out of him by 2 thugs. He may be a Mary Sue in his story (and even there he fails often and I wouldn't actually classify him as such) but in the real world he not only fails often it's implied he failed big time and is a shadow of his former self as a result. I actually think this must be Rothfus in a way satirizing the Mary Sue concept. Anyway - great series but I think the second one suffers from "second book syndrome" where it drags and seems to bite off a bit more than it can chew. [/QUOTE]
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