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<blockquote data-quote="fearsomepirate" data-source="post: 7970779" data-attributes="member: 7021420"><p>No, a larger object simply isn't a valid target for the spell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no such rule. To avoid the 33% chance of permanently losing Wish, you must <em>duplicate </em>a 1st-8th level spell, modulo waiving any requirements on the caster. There is nothing in there about general bounds of power. The requirements are waived, full stop, not "waived within the bounds of a 9th level spell." The reason you can cast Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion in the middle of a battlefield is because of the requirement waiver, not because of any vague power bounds.</p><p></p><p>You've had to introduce a new rule about staying inside of some kind of power bound because you've expanded the waiver to the <em>target </em>and, taken literally, that's <em>absurd. </em>Is targeting an invisible creature with Disintegrate within the bound? What if he's 100 feet away? 1000 feet? 1000 miles? On the Ethereal Plane? What about resurrecting someone who's been dead 10,000 years, is locked in an eternal cage of demon bones, and likes it that way?</p><p></p><p>By taking an extremely expansive reading of the waiver, you've had to create a new, vague rule with case-by-case enforcement that no two DMs will run the same way. By contrast, with my reading (the waiver applies to the caster, not the targets), it's straightforward. The valid target is in the spell description, no ifs, ands, or buts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fearsomepirate, post: 7970779, member: 7021420"] No, a larger object simply isn't a valid target for the spell. There's no such rule. To avoid the 33% chance of permanently losing Wish, you must [I]duplicate [/I]a 1st-8th level spell, modulo waiving any requirements on the caster. There is nothing in there about general bounds of power. The requirements are waived, full stop, not "waived within the bounds of a 9th level spell." The reason you can cast Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion in the middle of a battlefield is because of the requirement waiver, not because of any vague power bounds. You've had to introduce a new rule about staying inside of some kind of power bound because you've expanded the waiver to the [I]target [/I]and, taken literally, that's [I]absurd. [/I]Is targeting an invisible creature with Disintegrate within the bound? What if he's 100 feet away? 1000 feet? 1000 miles? On the Ethereal Plane? What about resurrecting someone who's been dead 10,000 years, is locked in an eternal cage of demon bones, and likes it that way? By taking an extremely expansive reading of the waiver, you've had to create a new, vague rule with case-by-case enforcement that no two DMs will run the same way. By contrast, with my reading (the waiver applies to the caster, not the targets), it's straightforward. The valid target is in the spell description, no ifs, ands, or buts. [/QUOTE]
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