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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 7970903" data-attributes="member: 6920677">Which is exactly my point, that one can overlook the fact the Wish spell duplicates a spell, and approach the Wish spell from the perspective of it duplicating an effect.The DMG has limited guidelines on the mechanical aspects of creating a magic spell.  Presuming that most DMs running a high level game are going to be, somewhat familiar with the spells in the game, it is not unreasonable  for a player to ask use Wish to duplicate a potential spell, or an ad hoc custom spell....something not currently published.To my mind, any DM, adjudicating a high level game, should be conversant with the rules to be able to eyeball what is and what is not an 8th level effect.To hit someone with the non basic use penalties for the Wish spell,  for the crime  of asking to use the  duplicate spell  effect in a creative manner, that does not exactly mimic an existing spell, but has an effect that is not outside the scope of an 8th level spell effect................Is poor refereeing.“Papa Smurf Always Says: Spirit Guardians  can only be cast on your self, even with Wish”If one can create a custom spell that is Spirit Guardians but cast on another target then self,why should one not be able to do so, on the fly with Wish, without severe penalties?It is a creativity tax, that people are objecting to.  Not attempts to rules lawyering.It is a pushing back to grappled sphincter style rulings...</blockquote>

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