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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5526360" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Yep, they're gone, and yeah, they don't 'fit' the 4e style, which is less into absolute and hyper-flexible effects.</p><p></p><p>Wish probably works best in a "Fullfill another's Wish" NPC power kind of way, where the DM has some fun twisting the wish around, and the whole thing is really just a plot device.</p><p></p><p>One way to house-rule in a Wish might be to have it as a risky sort of Epic Ritual that can duplicate the effect of any other ritual(s) of lower level, and lower total component cost, perhaps with a short (for a ritual) casting time, high (but adjustable?) cost (maybe in Residuum, only, with the option of spending magic items as if they were residuum?), an extra cost in healing surges or some such, and an Arcana check to avoid it being twisted too much. </p><p></p><p>Arcana Check:</p><p></p><p>60+ Wish works perfectly, exceeding slightly the power of the ritual(s) being duplicated in accord with the wording.</p><p>50-59 Wish works as desired, duplicating the lower level ritual(s) as desired.</p><p>45-49 Wish works about as desired, but has unexpected side effects based on the wording.</p><p>44- Wish fails and has unexpected side effects based on the wording.</p><p></p><p>(I'm assuming an Epic level ritual, with an Epic level caster having something like a +40 Arcana check... not sure if that's out of line...)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Miracle would be much the same, with a Religion check, presumably.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5526360, member: 996"] Yep, they're gone, and yeah, they don't 'fit' the 4e style, which is less into absolute and hyper-flexible effects. Wish probably works best in a "Fullfill another's Wish" NPC power kind of way, where the DM has some fun twisting the wish around, and the whole thing is really just a plot device. One way to house-rule in a Wish might be to have it as a risky sort of Epic Ritual that can duplicate the effect of any other ritual(s) of lower level, and lower total component cost, perhaps with a short (for a ritual) casting time, high (but adjustable?) cost (maybe in Residuum, only, with the option of spending magic items as if they were residuum?), an extra cost in healing surges or some such, and an Arcana check to avoid it being twisted too much. Arcana Check: 60+ Wish works perfectly, exceeding slightly the power of the ritual(s) being duplicated in accord with the wording. 50-59 Wish works as desired, duplicating the lower level ritual(s) as desired. 45-49 Wish works about as desired, but has unexpected side effects based on the wording. 44- Wish fails and has unexpected side effects based on the wording. (I'm assuming an Epic level ritual, with an Epic level caster having something like a +40 Arcana check... not sure if that's out of line...) Miracle would be much the same, with a Religion check, presumably. [/QUOTE]
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