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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 2606818" data-attributes="member: 111">No, it's not.The limit is an XP limit, which means a market value limit, of course, as I explain below.&nbsp; The rules don't give a way to apply this to a Djinn (unless you consider it an NPC), but the limit is there in the rules nonetheless.&nbsp; A DM simply needs to figure out a reasonable way to apply that limit in this situation.&nbsp; I think the best approach is to use the Djinn's ECL and set the limit to the XP difference between min and max for the ECL of the Djinn.&nbsp; In any case, there is a limit within the rules and it's up to the DM to figure out how to apply that limit to this situation.An example:A Noble Djinn has level adjustment of +6, so I presume it's ECL = it's Hit Die +6.&nbsp; Is that right?&nbsp;&nbsp; If so, then it is between 10and 30 HD (same as Efreet) or 16 and 36 ECL.&nbsp; If we assume a non-advanced Noble Djinn, it's an ECL of 16.A 16th level PC Noble Djinn (10HD) could grant a wish for an item up to 5,000 XP plus double the XP cost, up to a total of 16,000 XP normally, up to 33,000 potentially if he saved up and refused to level up to have more XP to spend like this.&nbsp; For simplicity, let's say no saving up like that.&nbsp; That means up to 11,000 XP available to &quot;spend,&quot; (16,000 - 5,000) and, because of the wish's &quot;double-cost&quot; rule, any item up to&nbsp; 5,500 XP cost&nbsp; (11,000/2)would be available to be created by a wish. Since it takes 1/25 market price in XP to create an item, this Djinn could wish for something up to 137,500 gp market value.&nbsp; WOW! That's a +8 (equivalent) weapon or on of the +5 ability stat boosting books.&nbsp; Not, bad, not bad at all.&nbsp; Not totally out of line for a 16th level party, either, though this would represent over 1/2 the total wealth for a 16th level character per DMG table 5-1 (260,000).&nbsp; I see no reason for an NPC/Monster Nobel Djinn to be able to do better than a PC Djinn could do.&nbsp; Further, reasonable limits could be placed based upon assuming it did not really have a FULL level's worth of XP available, but that's less about strictly rules that reasonableness.&nbsp; Still, I'd say about 1/2 the max possible for the ECL of the Djinn is pretty reasonable, but that's a judgement call.Anyway, it most definately is limited.(I wonder how many mistakes I made on ECL, etc., in this post&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 2606818, member: 111"] No, it's not. The limit is an XP limit, which means a market value limit, of course, as I explain below. The rules don't give a way to apply this to a Djinn (unless you consider it an NPC), but the limit is there in the rules nonetheless. A DM simply needs to figure out a reasonable way to apply that limit in this situation. I think the best approach is to use the Djinn's ECL and set the limit to the XP difference between min and max for the ECL of the Djinn. In any case, there is a limit within the rules and it's up to the DM to figure out how to apply that limit to this situation. An example: A Noble Djinn has level adjustment of +6, so I presume it's ECL = it's Hit Die +6. Is that right? If so, then it is between 10and 30 HD (same as Efreet) or 16 and 36 ECL. If we assume a non-advanced Noble Djinn, it's an ECL of 16. A 16th level PC Noble Djinn (10HD) could grant a wish for an item up to 5,000 XP plus double the XP cost, up to a total of 16,000 XP normally, up to 33,000 potentially if he saved up and refused to level up to have more XP to spend like this. For simplicity, let's say no saving up like that. That means up to 11,000 XP available to "spend," (16,000 - 5,000) and, because of the wish's "double-cost" rule, any item up to 5,500 XP cost (11,000/2)would be available to be created by a wish. Since it takes 1/25 market price in XP to create an item, this Djinn could wish for something up to 137,500 gp market value. WOW! That's a +8 (equivalent) weapon or on of the +5 ability stat boosting books. Not, bad, not bad at all. Not totally out of line for a 16th level party, either, though this would represent over 1/2 the total wealth for a 16th level character per DMG table 5-1 (260,000). I see no reason for an NPC/Monster Nobel Djinn to be able to do better than a PC Djinn could do. Further, reasonable limits could be placed based upon assuming it did not really have a FULL level's worth of XP available, but that's less about strictly rules that reasonableness. Still, I'd say about 1/2 the max possible for the ECL of the Djinn is pretty reasonable, but that's a judgement call. Anyway, it most definately is limited. (I wonder how many mistakes I made on ECL, etc., in this post :)) [/QUOTE]

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