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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6043241" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>I don't know what I hate more - DMs who use <em>wish</em> as an excuse to screw over PCs, or players who try to abuse <em>wishes</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, first up, go get your PHB and turn to the description of <em>wish</em>. There's a list of things that the spell can do (emulating spells, creating items, etc). Trust me, you want to stick tightly within the limits there. <em>Especially</em> since this is a low-level PC using a scroll, rather than a high-level caster casting the spell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If <em>wish</em> is used to create an item, the caster must spend twice the normal XP cost (15,918 x 2), plus a further 5,000. The scroll of wish pays that 5,000 for you (it's expended in creating the scroll), but the PC will need to supply the 31,836 XP. Presumably, he doesn't have that XP available (especially since he can't spend XP if it would cause him to lose a level). Therefore, the spell fails with no effect.</p><p></p><p>If you're feeling kind, let him choose a different wish.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would handle this in one of two ways:</p><p></p><p>1) Hit the PC with the most powerful <em>polymprph</em>-like effect to turn him into a Nymph. If the player objects, simply note that this is as close as the scroll was able to achieve - perhaps a more powerful wish-giver can do better? (If you're feeling kind, add a <em>permanency</em> effect, and allow the PC to dismiss it at will... but be sure to note that once he dismisses it, it's gone.)</p><p></p><p>2) Alternately, give them all the powers of the nymph... but not the ability to turn them off. That's well within the "doing so may be dangerous" clause of the spell description. When the player objects, note that his character hasn't had the decades of experience of being a young nymph required to gain control over these abilities.</p><p></p><p>Of course, option #2 effectively makes the character unplayable, as he'll be forever attacking the rest of the party with his killer abilities. Shame.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, these fall under the "creating magic items" rule - the PC would need to spend a significant amount of XP to create the items. Since he probably doesn't have the XP to spend, he's SOL.</p><p></p><p>(On the other hand, <em>wishing</em> for a single casting of <em>gate</em> is fine.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 6043241, member: 22424"] I don't know what I hate more - DMs who use [i]wish[/i] as an excuse to screw over PCs, or players who try to abuse [i]wishes[/i]. Okay, first up, go get your PHB and turn to the description of [i]wish[/i]. There's a list of things that the spell can do (emulating spells, creating items, etc). Trust me, you want to stick tightly within the limits there. [i]Especially[/i] since this is a low-level PC using a scroll, rather than a high-level caster casting the spell. If [i]wish[/i] is used to create an item, the caster must spend twice the normal XP cost (15,918 x 2), plus a further 5,000. The scroll of wish pays that 5,000 for you (it's expended in creating the scroll), but the PC will need to supply the 31,836 XP. Presumably, he doesn't have that XP available (especially since he can't spend XP if it would cause him to lose a level). Therefore, the spell fails with no effect. If you're feeling kind, let him choose a different wish. I would handle this in one of two ways: 1) Hit the PC with the most powerful [i]polymprph[/i]-like effect to turn him into a Nymph. If the player objects, simply note that this is as close as the scroll was able to achieve - perhaps a more powerful wish-giver can do better? (If you're feeling kind, add a [i]permanency[/i] effect, and allow the PC to dismiss it at will... but be sure to note that once he dismisses it, it's gone.) 2) Alternately, give them all the powers of the nymph... but not the ability to turn them off. That's well within the "doing so may be dangerous" clause of the spell description. When the player objects, note that his character hasn't had the decades of experience of being a young nymph required to gain control over these abilities. Of course, option #2 effectively makes the character unplayable, as he'll be forever attacking the rest of the party with his killer abilities. Shame. Again, these fall under the "creating magic items" rule - the PC would need to spend a significant amount of XP to create the items. Since he probably doesn't have the XP to spend, he's SOL. (On the other hand, [i]wishing[/i] for a single casting of [i]gate[/i] is fine.) [/QUOTE]
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