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<blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 9194605" data-attributes="member: 6807784"><p>I'm not seeing a limit at all. You can have all these things, you just need to adjust the actual idea to respond to the players. If people live in a world with divination magic, it is only logical but obvious that a high-level murder mystery involves interfering with divination magic. If you live in a world where people can be ressurected, it makes sense that doing so would either be exploited or lead to consequences down the road. </p><p></p><p>People love to make these arguments that these things don't exist at high level, but it doesn't hold true. And usually when my specific rebuttal is brought up, people act like it's unfair, like I'm suggesting you cheat the players or make all their toys not work. What I'm actually suggesting is that if you live in a magical world, and you want a high-powered story, you need to use magical means to achieve things you otherwise no longer can. </p><p></p><p>Anime and Manga have been doing this forever. Jujutsu Kaisen has a villain in it who has been doing intrigue and mysteries for a thousand years using extremely high intelligence, and its a world with a power level that IMO exceeds high level D&D in a few key ways. Countless other examples exist. You even have Invincible, here in the West, whose first season is literally a superhero murder mystery with the strongest living being on the planet as the main suspect. It even involves a demon/devil from Hell trying to trick him into giving himself up. </p><p></p><p>Expand your literary horizons if you want to tell a murder mystery at high level. Assuming you can't do it is a fixed mindset that is provably untrue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shardstone, post: 9194605, member: 6807784"] I'm not seeing a limit at all. You can have all these things, you just need to adjust the actual idea to respond to the players. If people live in a world with divination magic, it is only logical but obvious that a high-level murder mystery involves interfering with divination magic. If you live in a world where people can be ressurected, it makes sense that doing so would either be exploited or lead to consequences down the road. People love to make these arguments that these things don't exist at high level, but it doesn't hold true. And usually when my specific rebuttal is brought up, people act like it's unfair, like I'm suggesting you cheat the players or make all their toys not work. What I'm actually suggesting is that if you live in a magical world, and you want a high-powered story, you need to use magical means to achieve things you otherwise no longer can. Anime and Manga have been doing this forever. Jujutsu Kaisen has a villain in it who has been doing intrigue and mysteries for a thousand years using extremely high intelligence, and its a world with a power level that IMO exceeds high level D&D in a few key ways. Countless other examples exist. You even have Invincible, here in the West, whose first season is literally a superhero murder mystery with the strongest living being on the planet as the main suspect. It even involves a demon/devil from Hell trying to trick him into giving himself up. Expand your literary horizons if you want to tell a murder mystery at high level. Assuming you can't do it is a fixed mindset that is provably untrue. [/QUOTE]
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