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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pedantic" data-source="post: 9194685" data-attributes="member: 6690965">That's basically just the definition of "high level." I think there's a routine mistake made that casts high level as an aesthetic, like your point earlier about "navigating your flying ship through the Nine Hells." That isn't a high level adventure, and the game should make it clear that's the case. Asking for that to be a high level thing, is asking for the extension of the so-called "sweet spot" to a larger progression range, which arguably has been a goal to varying degrees in 4e and 5e for a while now.High levels are defined by the limited obstacles that are still available, and the proactivity of everyone involved, trading appropriate countermeasures and prodding for weaknesses in the opponent's planning. Characters don't get into fights unless they've been outmaneuvered, or they've instigated them. The available problems that can challenge them are so thin on the ground they tend to need a reason to go seek them out, instead of encountering them in the world at large.I keep arguing the game needs to be very clear about where specific narratives/challenges fit into the level progression, how the gameplay loop will change, and very specifically to offer space for the game to keep being played at the desired range if the group wants to do things that fit there. E6esque progression systems should be official, and we should have rules and subsystems that are designed for use in specific ranges.</blockquote>

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