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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 3046285" data-attributes="member: 20805">'I wish I had the swimming capability to swim up waterfalls without chance of failure.'~ You gain an SU enhancement bonus of +80 to your swim checks usable only when attempting to swim up a waterfall.'I wish I could balance myself upon the clouds.'~ You gain the SU ability to walk on clouds as if they are a solid surface.Both fulfill the stated wish and would allow your character to do really awesome things.. Just imagine the latter coupled with spells that create clouds {Fog} <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Neither are very useful abilities in a non-epic game and you would probably say I am screwing you.. despite the fact that the wish fulfills *exactly* what you ask for. The above thread has already shown a tendency to say +25 or +30 to a skills general use is the max a wish should be able to accomplish..this is simply a matter of the wish not having enough ooomph to do what you intend... which is +80 or more to a skills general use.3.x rules are pretty clear on the Wish having limitations, and pretty clear on what those limitations are...I don't. First, I believe Wishes and thier ilk are powerful magics that attempt to fulfill the *stated* desire with the least amount of magical resources. I also see them as being potential plot points... just like every other aspect of the game. Since I do not hide this belief from my players they walk in knowing that a Wish that tests the limits of the spells ability will have to be very very carefully worded while a Wish that is more easily fulfilled only needs careful wording.Second, most of the Wishes that end up in my game are in Rings or Swords.. so the player is not paying the 5k+ XP..but that doens't really matter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Third, ... why do people assume that GM's that don't lay over and play dead when Wish comes into play is 'screwing' the PC?Forth, A player in my game gets a Wish.... spends however long they want in crafting said wish, including confering with others, posting on message boards, etc... In game they state thier wish, and in a matter of moments I respond with how the wish becomes reality. In very rare occasions will I require the Wishor to make up the Wish on the spot... drawing the Wish card from a Deck of Many Things is one such case.Fifth, I do not have a competitive DM vs Player game. My intent as DM is to lay out an enjoyable and entertaining world for the PC's to adventure in....no player in my game has ever complained that I shafted them with a normal Wish.... the other kind of wish..the 'want to make a deal' ones... absolutely.. every time, but for those you have to consider the source <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />Sixth, since when is enforcing a rule a bad thing?Lastly... Sorry Bad Paper.. if we haven't answered your question before running of down this rabbit trail, please let us know <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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