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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 3046395" data-attributes="member: 20805"><p>I2K... </p><p> Meteor Swarm is a spell with effects that are clearly defined. The results of the spell match the clearly defined text of the spell.</p><p></p><p> Wish is a spell where the effects are based on the sentence used by the castor. The results of the spell match the text of the spell.</p><p></p><p>The difference is in that a poorly written spell similar to Meteor Swarm will get errata'd or HRd, whereas a poorly spoken Wish gets.. well, whatever results match the text of the spell.</p><p></p><p>Ya.. on review I suppose the above thread could give the impression that I am screwing the players. posit:</p><p></p><p>Umm. Lets see. Possible game term 'ability', but ignore that for now. What exactly is the clearly defined result that this wish is aiming for? Who knows! This wish does not clearly define what the intended result is. How should a 'good' GM react? </p><p></p><p> I institute these limitations on the Wish spell specifically to avoid the result of an unclear wish... in other words, these limitations exist so that both the player and myself are clear on what the wish is supposed to accomplish.</p><p></p><p>Lawyers? Nay. It does not take lawyer speak to define a wish. Check my response to both Notmousse and pawsplay's suggested wishes. Are these responses either out of line with the rules or 'screwing' the player? Did either of them require lawyer-ese?</p><p> This side-track started before any-one critiqued my response to the pawsplay regarding how much a Wish could affect a skill...which was the question of the OP. I presume since no-one has pursued that line that my recommendations were close enough to the mark to be acceptable.</p><p></p><p>Ask for something that falls clearly within what is described in the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm" target="_blank">Wish</a> text.. an increase in strength, call into being an item, duplicate a spell or transport the PC somewhere... all simple wishes. As for wishing for epic level power... well, Wish is not Epic.</p><p></p><p>I suppose I should have but a couple smiley's behind my off-hand "Poof, {checks character sheet}..." comment. I am a sarcastic person in general and this would be my way of telling the player to define the wish more clearly.... I am not that much of a RBDM to waste the casting/use that way...next time I will include a '... now try again.' if I use that example.</p><p> Check Sig quote for reference <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p> Gee, so many ways to answer that, but none of them look good on-screen <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p>Might just be the day... been a bit testy lately. Sorry 'bout that.</p><p>This is yet another case of electronic medium migrating to the extremes. Either I am out to screw the players or I must grant whatever Wish is asked for. Reality, as usual, is a happy compromise between the two extremes... where the players clearly define their wish and the DM respond with what is within the Wish's power to bring into effect..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 3046395, member: 20805"] I2K... Meteor Swarm is a spell with effects that are clearly defined. The results of the spell match the clearly defined text of the spell. Wish is a spell where the effects are based on the sentence used by the castor. The results of the spell match the text of the spell. The difference is in that a poorly written spell similar to Meteor Swarm will get errata'd or HRd, whereas a poorly spoken Wish gets.. well, whatever results match the text of the spell. Ya.. on review I suppose the above thread could give the impression that I am screwing the players. posit: Umm. Lets see. Possible game term 'ability', but ignore that for now. What exactly is the clearly defined result that this wish is aiming for? Who knows! This wish does not clearly define what the intended result is. How should a 'good' GM react? I institute these limitations on the Wish spell specifically to avoid the result of an unclear wish... in other words, these limitations exist so that both the player and myself are clear on what the wish is supposed to accomplish. Lawyers? Nay. It does not take lawyer speak to define a wish. Check my response to both Notmousse and pawsplay's suggested wishes. Are these responses either out of line with the rules or 'screwing' the player? Did either of them require lawyer-ese? This side-track started before any-one critiqued my response to the pawsplay regarding how much a Wish could affect a skill...which was the question of the OP. I presume since no-one has pursued that line that my recommendations were close enough to the mark to be acceptable. Ask for something that falls clearly within what is described in the [URL=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm]Wish[/URL] text.. an increase in strength, call into being an item, duplicate a spell or transport the PC somewhere... all simple wishes. As for wishing for epic level power... well, Wish is not Epic. I suppose I should have but a couple smiley's behind my off-hand "Poof, {checks character sheet}..." comment. I am a sarcastic person in general and this would be my way of telling the player to define the wish more clearly.... I am not that much of a RBDM to waste the casting/use that way...next time I will include a '... now try again.' if I use that example. Check Sig quote for reference :) Gee, so many ways to answer that, but none of them look good on-screen :lol: Might just be the day... been a bit testy lately. Sorry 'bout that. This is yet another case of electronic medium migrating to the extremes. Either I am out to screw the players or I must grant whatever Wish is asked for. Reality, as usual, is a happy compromise between the two extremes... where the players clearly define their wish and the DM respond with what is within the Wish's power to bring into effect.. [/QUOTE]
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