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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5212357" data-attributes="member: 7883">It doesn't prove anything IMO.......all it proves is that the designers didn't decide to spend a lot of time figuring out non-combat uses for a 9th lvl Wish spell.  They figure out the most common effects that most players are likely going to want to use the spell for, and then figure out that anything further is pretty much up to the DM.  Which is pretty much what the spell states.Liches are one way to do it.  As others have said becoming an Outsider is another option.  Though whether Outsiders are actually ageless is a matter of debate.  I tend to go with "yes", but it's not actually officially written anymore.Same thing with how many books (Faeries, Complete Guide to Fey, Sidhe Book of Nightmares) talk about Fey being immortal (ie. ageless)....but it's not explicitly said one way or another in the core rules.  But, according to those other sources, there are spells (undetailed) that would allow a PC to become immortal by becoming a Fey.......some would probably rather be a dryad or satyr than a mouldy bag of bones.  Some of these same sources mention however, that there are downsides....the Complete Guide to Fey basically establishes that Fey are a soul in fleshly form.  Kill the Fey and it's gone....no resurrection, nothing.  And it's subject to a bunch of rules as to what it can or can't do.The spells that do this aren't really detailed, though Faeries has the spell Feyform (7th lvl) that gives a PC the Fey-Born template, and Permanency can be applied to it.  According to that book, since Fey are immortal, and the Fey-Born template grants the Fey Type, the PC becomes defacto ageless.  And, as it's 7th lvl, Wish would be able to duplicate it.What it comes down to is that the designers of 3E didn't want to spent time worrying about or considering particular issues within the context of the game.  If you look outside the core rules, there are lots of choices.In Savage Species there are rituals which let a PC change their race.  If Wish lets you duplicate the effects of one of these rituals (again, probably within the spirit of the rules, though not the letter), one could become a Sidhelien from Birthright.....basically, the elves of that setting, who are ageless.  You could live 100,000 years as one of them.I think the posters in the thread have established that, by the letter, Wish doesn't do what you want.  But that doesn't mean it *shouldn't*, if your DM is willing to let you use it in such a manner.Banshee</blockquote>

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