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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5985591" data-attributes="member: 54877">Mosty agree with this whole post, though I'd say that classic D&D can have a thematically rich play, even in the terms you use here. It is, however, a very odd theme, with a lots of strange twists and holes in it. Of this, I think, emerges the "D&D genre." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> It's funny, but you can play Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser in classic D&D and easily get the expected results--if the characters are the kinds of people that the twain routinely mow down. If you read that kind of sword and sorcery with the theme that "life is cheap and everyone knows it," then the characters don't really play the heroes until they start pushing name level. They can thematically explore a world where people take great risks because life is so cheap anyway, perhaps. It's a gradual process, with some early glimpses, to get to something more traditional. Thus again those twists and turns in the theme. Maybe Bob C or Bob D or Bob Z will eventually play the hero. And then he'll miss a saving throw against poison and get to start over again. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Fantasy Vietnam can be thematically rich. It merely isn't a theme implied by 90% of the material in Appendix N. Trying to play some of those other themes ends up working about like doing a Tale of Two Cities with Monty Python jokes. It might be fun, but it is always odd.</blockquote>

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