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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5992780" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Heh. The only distinction I can see between 'abstract' and 'dissociative' is that the former is a lot less subjective. You can look at a mechanic that says "to determine the outcome of the battle, the judge flips a coin and the commander of the attacking army calls it in the air" and judge it very abstract, for instance, and I doubt you'd get much argument. But, is it 'dissociative?' Well, the /attacker/ is the one calling it, and the attacker has the initiative in a military engagement, therefor it's not. Or, well, the judge is going to describe why the battle went the way it did, including exigent factors that should have been present at the outset of the battle, therefor it's hella dissscociative.</p><p></p><p>Well, you know what you like.</p><p></p><p>The caster is thinking about the average of 6d6 being 21, and hoping the DM will fail some of those saving throws? </p><p></p><p>You'd help your arguments if you didn't keep presuming to talk for broad swaths of people in such absolute terms. </p><p></p><p>From the reactions to 4e on-line, and the attitude of the various Pathfinder player's I've met, if I had to guess, I'd say 'most' those who rejected 4e rejected it sight-unseen, or with very little and very pejudiced examination, and /continued/ playing 3.5, perhaps changing to Pathfinder when that became a source of new material. </p><p></p><p>I know that was not the experience you have described for yourself, and I'm not saying your experience was unique, but I don't see anything to support your attitude that it was universal, either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5992780, member: 996"] Heh. The only distinction I can see between 'abstract' and 'dissociative' is that the former is a lot less subjective. You can look at a mechanic that says "to determine the outcome of the battle, the judge flips a coin and the commander of the attacking army calls it in the air" and judge it very abstract, for instance, and I doubt you'd get much argument. But, is it 'dissociative?' Well, the /attacker/ is the one calling it, and the attacker has the initiative in a military engagement, therefor it's not. Or, well, the judge is going to describe why the battle went the way it did, including exigent factors that should have been present at the outset of the battle, therefor it's hella dissscociative. Well, you know what you like. The caster is thinking about the average of 6d6 being 21, and hoping the DM will fail some of those saving throws? You'd help your arguments if you didn't keep presuming to talk for broad swaths of people in such absolute terms. From the reactions to 4e on-line, and the attitude of the various Pathfinder player's I've met, if I had to guess, I'd say 'most' those who rejected 4e rejected it sight-unseen, or with very little and very pejudiced examination, and /continued/ playing 3.5, perhaps changing to Pathfinder when that became a source of new material. I know that was not the experience you have described for yourself, and I'm not saying your experience was unique, but I don't see anything to support your attitude that it was universal, either. [/QUOTE]
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