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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 5995404" data-attributes="member: 6698278">The reason why it's important is that 4e has something that 1e,2e,and 3e didn't have.&nbsp; At least not in any quantity and definitely not in the core.&nbsp; That something is bothersome even if some people refuse to recognize what it is.&nbsp; I too am tired of the term shuffle.&nbsp; I tire of people reverting simulation back to the dictionary definition instead of the GNS definition.&nbsp; I don't think anyone in my camp is all that worried about plain old simulation.&nbsp; And if you don't realize that the S in GNS has NOTHING to do with plain old simulation then I rest my case.&nbsp; The terms are all mixed up jumbled and confusing.So I'm keep dissociative mechanic because that is specifically what we are talking about.&nbsp; I am dropping the use of simulation and process simulation because I'm not even sure what anyone means even when they discuss these things and I'm sure in many cases I don't care.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 5995404, member: 6698278"] The reason why it's important is that 4e has something that 1e,2e,and 3e didn't have. At least not in any quantity and definitely not in the core. That something is bothersome even if some people refuse to recognize what it is. I too am tired of the term shuffle. I tire of people reverting simulation back to the dictionary definition instead of the GNS definition. I don't think anyone in my camp is all that worried about plain old simulation. And if you don't realize that the S in GNS has NOTHING to do with plain old simulation then I rest my case. The terms are all mixed up jumbled and confusing. So I'm keep dissociative mechanic because that is specifically what we are talking about. I am dropping the use of simulation and process simulation because I'm not even sure what anyone means even when they discuss these things and I'm sure in many cases I don't care. [/QUOTE]

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