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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 5995416" data-attributes="member: 6698278">I think the key here and perhaps I judged your simulation paragraph too harshly.&nbsp; I reread it and I see how you could pull that out of the other paragraph.&nbsp;&nbsp; The way to think of things is to imagine games like movies.&nbsp; We've all started watching a movie and decided partway in that you just don't buy it.&nbsp; I do this often.&nbsp; Now I watch james bond,superhero, fantasy, and sci-fi moveis all the time.&nbsp; If I have this intolerence how can I so easily accept those genres to begin with. Let's you the James Bond movie moonraker as an example.&nbsp; The villian Jaws falls into a circus tent and survives.&nbsp; Now we know this is not going to happen in the real world.&nbsp; But we buy it because it's cinematic.&nbsp;&nbsp; There are other things though I can't tolerate.&nbsp; If a guy gets blown out an airlock into space and survives for any length of time, I don't buy it.&nbsp; All this kind of stuff is interesting psychologically but of little relevance to our argument.&nbsp; Because it's not about realism.Dissociative mechanics have to go a step further than just being a bit unrealistic.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't mind if my character can climb the wall twice as fast as he really could.&nbsp; Thats not dissociative.&nbsp; I imagine my character in cinematic James Bond fashion scurrying up the wall.&nbsp; No biggie.&nbsp; But if I could only scurry up the wall once per day?&nbsp; So I just climbed a wall and now I can't?&nbsp; I can't two hours later even if I've been resting on the coach the whole time.&nbsp; I can though do another totally unrelated manuever because I haven't done it yet.&nbsp;&nbsp; Of course if i'd done that other maneuver first then I could still climb but now I wouldn't be able to do it.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's all crazy.&nbsp; It's so easy to see as an issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 5995416, member: 6698278"] I think the key here and perhaps I judged your simulation paragraph too harshly. I reread it and I see how you could pull that out of the other paragraph. The way to think of things is to imagine games like movies. We've all started watching a movie and decided partway in that you just don't buy it. I do this often. Now I watch james bond,superhero, fantasy, and sci-fi moveis all the time. If I have this intolerence how can I so easily accept those genres to begin with. Let's you the James Bond movie moonraker as an example. The villian Jaws falls into a circus tent and survives. Now we know this is not going to happen in the real world. But we buy it because it's cinematic. There are other things though I can't tolerate. If a guy gets blown out an airlock into space and survives for any length of time, I don't buy it. All this kind of stuff is interesting psychologically but of little relevance to our argument. Because it's not about realism. Dissociative mechanics have to go a step further than just being a bit unrealistic. I don't mind if my character can climb the wall twice as fast as he really could. Thats not dissociative. I imagine my character in cinematic James Bond fashion scurrying up the wall. No biggie. But if I could only scurry up the wall once per day? So I just climbed a wall and now I can't? I can't two hours later even if I've been resting on the coach the whole time. I can though do another totally unrelated manuever because I haven't done it yet. Of course if i'd done that other maneuver first then I could still climb but now I wouldn't be able to do it. It's all crazy. It's so easy to see as an issue. [/QUOTE]

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