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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5997898" data-attributes="member: 87792">And yet the wargame roots are still there. I can see them in almost every mechanic even in 2e. If I want to get away from wargames entirely, there are plenty of games that actually do that. Most modern narrative games do - I couldn't call Spirit of the Century a hacked wargame. Or even Wushu. And as for the encounter, see below. The encounter is just another name for the scene. And was very present in 2e.  Fine. You keep being openly and knowingly offensive and I'm going to point out how what you are actually saying is an openly offensive attempt to shut down conversations and demonstrates how you aren't interested in common ground, merely in getting your way. The conversation will go precisely nowhere until you stop being openly and knowingly offensive.  And now you are trying to move the goalposts. You are trying to equate "an opinion critical of 4e" with declaring that 4e is not D&D. I can be critical of 4e quite happily. But if you claim 4e isn't D&D the logical consequence is that 4e players who think we're playing D&D are either stupid or deluded. Because we are factually wrong about what D&D is. Which is it you are saying we are? Stupid or deluded? That doesn't mean that 4e is necessarily the best version of D&D there has ever been (I think it is for high fantasy, but this is a matter of taste). <img src="http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5154/fotografier0003.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> <img src="http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1465/fotografier0004.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> <img src="http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/103/fotografier0005.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>

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