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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6010142" data-attributes="member: 996">Sorry, I thought the character in your example was a defender.  Though, I suppose a Warden does have use for his minors, and a Paladin could heal or a Dwarf defender of any sort second wind with a minor. But, a /second/ minor would be valuable fairly infrequently, I'd think.  Wouldn't that be an example of fitting the story to mechanics - the opposite of what you were talking about?   Not that I haven't had fun doing that, myself...But, anyway, even if you do simultaneously develop mechanics and story, you've just created mechanics that only work with one story.  And that's just not a very handy set of mechanics.The problem we were talking about was 'the grind.'  It's one of the closest thing it has to a 'prevalent problem' that actually impacted the play experience.  MM3 addressed the problem by making monsters do more damage, and lowered over-high defenses for some, giving them action-preservation and the like, instead.  So, are you trying to say that higher damage figures didn't address 'the grind,' because lower defenses also dropped the monsters /faster/?  Because, if there are monsters putting the 'outcome of the encounter' back in doubt by being able to drop a PC in a round or two, and PCs are able to hit formerly-grindy monsters often enough to bring them down faster, that would seem to me to point to the grind problem having been solved.And, I think we've mentioned Skill Challenges, which were broken at release to a degree that, well, should be familiar to all us long-time D&Ders. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  I'm not sure what else you might be getting at - it better not be 'dissociative mechanics' or any other such nonsense.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  The other problems 4e has had have been fairly minor - feat taxes and trap feats, for instance - or downright obscure...</blockquote>

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