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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6013349" data-attributes="member: 87792">So is the idea of levelling up at all.&nbsp; Congratulations.&nbsp; You've just proved that every single class and level based game has a mechanical structure.&nbsp; Which is necessary.On the other hand AEDU isn't something that directly affects the world.&nbsp; It indirectly affects it, sure.&nbsp; &nbsp; But directly?Give me some examples where the rubber meets the road please.&nbsp; Not &quot;Levelling up gives you abilities and save bonusses&quot;.I emphatically and assuredly do not think of a wizard as someone who can cast spells at a rate that would make Gandalf turn green with envy - but forgets them every time he casts them.&nbsp; I can get most wizard concepts I have out of the 4e wizard - but the Gygaxo-Vancian recharge method and spell selection method just swamps everything.&nbsp; In classic D&amp;D I need to play a Gygaxo-Vancian wizard whether I want to or not - whereas because the structure is shared in 4e it doesn't cripple my character selection.&nbsp; It's unobtrusive for the character because everyone has the same way of recharging - whereas Magic Recharges Daily even with sorcerors involved has a massive impact on how characters behave and perversely can't be changed as easily as moving the extended rest period.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6013349, member: 87792"] So is the idea of levelling up [I]at all[/I]. Congratulations. You've just proved that every single class and level based game has a mechanical structure. Which is necessary. On the other hand AEDU isn't something that directly affects the world. It [I]indirectly[/I] affects it, sure. But directly? Give me some examples where the rubber meets the road please. Not "Levelling up gives you abilities and save bonusses". I emphatically and assuredly do [I]not[/I] think of a wizard as someone who can cast spells at a rate that would make Gandalf turn green with envy - but forgets them every time he casts them. I can get most wizard concepts I have out of the 4e wizard - but the Gygaxo-Vancian recharge method and spell selection method just swamps everything. In classic D&D I [I]need[/I] to play a Gygaxo-Vancian wizard whether I want to or not - whereas because the structure is shared in 4e it doesn't cripple my character selection. It's unobtrusive for the character because everyone has the same way of recharging - whereas Magic Recharges Daily even with sorcerors involved has a massive impact on how characters behave and perversely can't be changed as easily as moving the extended rest period. [/QUOTE]

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