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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6017558" data-attributes="member: 996">OK, that's a different subject, I suppose.&nbsp; How many (and how badly) broken elements does it take to break a game?&nbsp; A class is a much larger and more complex game element than a spell or a weapon, further complicating the analysis.&nbsp; And games balance or break in more than one place.&nbsp; Most of the balance issues with 3e are about class balance, so even they don't claim the /whole/ game is broken.&nbsp; Though CR isn't exactly robust, magic items can be imbalancing, and the skill system can be pretty whacked... I suspect it wouldn't take many if they were extreme enough, and I'd probably have to consider the tier-1 classes extreme enough...Expectations would probably result in the 'freeform' session working much like the with-rules session.&nbsp; To be valid, you'd need to try the experiment with participants both 'untainted' by expectations about D&amp;D, /and/ skilled enough RPGers to handle free-styling - and I doubt such exist.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6017558, member: 996"] OK, that's a different subject, I suppose. How many (and how badly) broken elements does it take to break a game? A class is a much larger and more complex game element than a spell or a weapon, further complicating the analysis. And games balance or break in more than one place. Most of the balance issues with 3e are about class balance, so even they don't claim the /whole/ game is broken. Though CR isn't exactly robust, magic items can be imbalancing, and the skill system can be pretty whacked... I suspect it wouldn't take many if they were extreme enough, and I'd probably have to consider the tier-1 classes extreme enough... Expectations would probably result in the 'freeform' session working much like the with-rules session. To be valid, you'd need to try the experiment with participants both 'untainted' by expectations about D&D, /and/ skilled enough RPGers to handle free-styling - and I doubt such exist. [/QUOTE]

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