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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 2093575" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>I will have to concur that Star Wars is a BETTER seller than anything not D&D by WOTC, including the D20 Modern line. Heck it sells better in the store I work at than almost anything that isn't D&D, M&M or White Wolf, including GURPS and Palladium. </p><p></p><p>The problem with the line is honestly the lack of adventure material. Sure they give a map here and there and hooks etc. but for a newbie, it doesn't really provide a good example of how to build an adventure and run one, just tips and advice. Adventures lose money sure, we KNOW that but the fact remains that ADVENTURES are what make or break a gaming product. I don't think Vampire and the rest of the WOD line would have went anywhere were it not for the Chicago Chronicles being so fun or Call of Cthulhu without the adventures packs they put out or D&D without adventures like Village of Hommlet or Keep on the Borderlands. Hell, M&M has Time of Crisis to give it a push and help a new GM understand how to run a game. Free adventures are GREAT and all but they also are not as PRACTICAL as store bought ones because not all of us have a printer or the funds to refill our precious ink cartridges etc. and published adventures feel more real to GMs and players, like they matter. Yes, STar Wars has that adventure that came out BEFORE the revision, like a month and that REALLY hurt its sales considering all the changes made to the system in revised. I HONESTLY believe that adventure support is essential to a successful gaming line and I think WOTC is seeing that with their trilogy of Eberron adventures and the fact that they announced they would be doing more adventures in the future. If they would just crank out a good Clone Wars adventure and a good Rebellion era adventure every 4-6 months I think that they could keep the game line going again and with the emphasis on the minis line being so big now, they could even taylor the adventures with mini sized tiles etc for the GMs to use.</p><p></p><p>I think another thing hurting sales is the hardcover format for EVERYTHING being released. Gamers love hardcovers sure but does EVERYTHING need to be hardcover? I think not. Considering the prices of these hardcovers are 30+ dollars it does not make it affordable no matter what that cost is compared to a movie ticket, video game or novel etc. It just doesn't. I tend to get my SW books for half off and I have almost the whole blasted line from WOTC but I got them off of Ebay because I can not afford to PAY full price. I can go to a movie, I can afford that but SW and D&D books are getting out of my bounds as the economy slips and prices continue to go up and I make decent money for a single guy. What is so damning about publishing 15-20 dollar paperbacks nowadays? Sure the covers MIGHT get bent etc but my softcover Realms books (also PRICEY) are in great shape, even my 2e softcover books are in decent shape like Code of the Harpers and Drow of the Underdark. I just don't get the hardcover infatuation. Kids can not afford hardcovers and this hardcover format is driving them away. I think special books like the CB and the Power of the Jedi and Darkside books are great as hardcovers but books like Corsuscant and Geonosis and the rest... meh.</p><p></p><p>Jason</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="teitan, post: 2093575, member: 3457"] I will have to concur that Star Wars is a BETTER seller than anything not D&D by WOTC, including the D20 Modern line. Heck it sells better in the store I work at than almost anything that isn't D&D, M&M or White Wolf, including GURPS and Palladium. The problem with the line is honestly the lack of adventure material. Sure they give a map here and there and hooks etc. but for a newbie, it doesn't really provide a good example of how to build an adventure and run one, just tips and advice. Adventures lose money sure, we KNOW that but the fact remains that ADVENTURES are what make or break a gaming product. I don't think Vampire and the rest of the WOD line would have went anywhere were it not for the Chicago Chronicles being so fun or Call of Cthulhu without the adventures packs they put out or D&D without adventures like Village of Hommlet or Keep on the Borderlands. Hell, M&M has Time of Crisis to give it a push and help a new GM understand how to run a game. Free adventures are GREAT and all but they also are not as PRACTICAL as store bought ones because not all of us have a printer or the funds to refill our precious ink cartridges etc. and published adventures feel more real to GMs and players, like they matter. Yes, STar Wars has that adventure that came out BEFORE the revision, like a month and that REALLY hurt its sales considering all the changes made to the system in revised. I HONESTLY believe that adventure support is essential to a successful gaming line and I think WOTC is seeing that with their trilogy of Eberron adventures and the fact that they announced they would be doing more adventures in the future. If they would just crank out a good Clone Wars adventure and a good Rebellion era adventure every 4-6 months I think that they could keep the game line going again and with the emphasis on the minis line being so big now, they could even taylor the adventures with mini sized tiles etc for the GMs to use. I think another thing hurting sales is the hardcover format for EVERYTHING being released. Gamers love hardcovers sure but does EVERYTHING need to be hardcover? I think not. Considering the prices of these hardcovers are 30+ dollars it does not make it affordable no matter what that cost is compared to a movie ticket, video game or novel etc. It just doesn't. I tend to get my SW books for half off and I have almost the whole blasted line from WOTC but I got them off of Ebay because I can not afford to PAY full price. I can go to a movie, I can afford that but SW and D&D books are getting out of my bounds as the economy slips and prices continue to go up and I make decent money for a single guy. What is so damning about publishing 15-20 dollar paperbacks nowadays? Sure the covers MIGHT get bent etc but my softcover Realms books (also PRICEY) are in great shape, even my 2e softcover books are in decent shape like Code of the Harpers and Drow of the Underdark. I just don't get the hardcover infatuation. Kids can not afford hardcovers and this hardcover format is driving them away. I think special books like the CB and the Power of the Jedi and Darkside books are great as hardcovers but books like Corsuscant and Geonosis and the rest... meh. Jason [/QUOTE]
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