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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8793996" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>The only specific bloodline sorcerer in 5e is the Dragonblood. Bloodlines being the only explanation for sorcerers is a Pathfinder thing not a D&D one and it's one of the many things that to me makes Pathfinder blander than 5e.</p><p></p><p>And this I agree is a problem.</p><p></p><p>No it hasn't. The train is currently in the station and being loaded up. That's, after all, what playtesting is for. </p><p></p><p>With luck feedback on how the current ranger is as dull as ditchwater even compared to the Tasha's ranger and how the Bard not having group buff spells will cause the designers to rethink.</p><p></p><p>Unfitting spells aren't a problem - or at least wouldn't be a problem on a spells known caster like a Ranger or Bard. Because you don't have to allow those spells anywhere near your specific ranger or bard.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile the change to Spells Prepared means that they are options in character for every single character.</p><p></p><p>There has always been a major difference between the Sorcerer and the Warlock this way - the Warlock and Sorcerer have always known about as many spells as each other but:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Due to Pact Magic the Warlock only needs the breadth of spells to support a single spell level while the Sorcerer needs to support multiple levels</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Sorcerer gets a basic "commoner package" (d6 hit dice, 2 known skills, no armour, simple weapons) and then literally everything they do is about casting. Meanwhile the Warlock gets a much more expansive package including armour (only light - but better than nothing), invocations, and a pact boon. Their pact magic is a big part of their package but it is by no means all of it.</li> </ol><p>The problem has never been Spells Prepared vs Spells Known. It's been how risibly few Spells Known the Sorcerer got for a primary caster whose abilities are all about casting. No one really was complaining about the warlock - and people were saying the bard was possibly OP</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8793996, member: 87792"] The only specific bloodline sorcerer in 5e is the Dragonblood. Bloodlines being the only explanation for sorcerers is a Pathfinder thing not a D&D one and it's one of the many things that to me makes Pathfinder blander than 5e. And this I agree is a problem. No it hasn't. The train is currently in the station and being loaded up. That's, after all, what playtesting is for. With luck feedback on how the current ranger is as dull as ditchwater even compared to the Tasha's ranger and how the Bard not having group buff spells will cause the designers to rethink. Unfitting spells aren't a problem - or at least wouldn't be a problem on a spells known caster like a Ranger or Bard. Because you don't have to allow those spells anywhere near your specific ranger or bard. Meanwhile the change to Spells Prepared means that they are options in character for every single character. There has always been a major difference between the Sorcerer and the Warlock this way - the Warlock and Sorcerer have always known about as many spells as each other but: [LIST=1] [*]Due to Pact Magic the Warlock only needs the breadth of spells to support a single spell level while the Sorcerer needs to support multiple levels [*]The Sorcerer gets a basic "commoner package" (d6 hit dice, 2 known skills, no armour, simple weapons) and then literally everything they do is about casting. Meanwhile the Warlock gets a much more expansive package including armour (only light - but better than nothing), invocations, and a pact boon. Their pact magic is a big part of their package but it is by no means all of it. [/LIST] The problem has never been Spells Prepared vs Spells Known. It's been how risibly few Spells Known the Sorcerer got for a primary caster whose abilities are all about casting. No one really was complaining about the warlock - and people were saying the bard was possibly OP [/QUOTE]
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