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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Danceofmasks" data-source="post: 5045347" data-attributes="member: 70765">But it's not as powerful as it was on day 1. On day 1, you can get that -16 to saves at high epic levels, by picking a +wis race, and thereby having a less-than-optimum attack/damage/ac/reflex score. I'll say it again. My wizard started with 13 wis, and could impose a -16 save penalty at level 17. That's "bigger bonus after book X" if there ever was one. Another item for you here: Orb of Karmic ResonanceIt's borked because its power is not level dependent.So ... a level 23 dex wizard could carry around several level 13 versions, for that one encounter per day when you need to string together 3 auto-save-fails on the solo. Yeah.</blockquote>