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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5046560" data-attributes="member: 82106">There's a difference between the system being filled out to what it was actually designed to be, largely accomplished in AV1 with some more important tweaks in PHB2. That's all really. Yeah, PCs have more options, but when you start looking at it carefully right now a LOT of those options are mutually exclusive or don't work well together. Expertise, Weapon Focus, and the paragon and epic weapon feats are very standard for weapon users but not all mandatory by any means. You just won't get EVERYTHING you could ever want because a lot of bread-n-butter feats and really good specialty feats have stat prereqs that make it hard to get them all (or impossible). Most of that was in place in PHB except Expertise (in all its forms).The other feats are all situational or work on OAs or whatnot. There are quite a few good ones but again its hard to make them all useful on one character. Even without prereqs who's going to take a character with a tanked dex and grap Nimble Blade? Its one of the best situational feats out there, but not all rogues have it by far. So yes there are a few more situations where PCs can gain advantage and plenty of ways to combine that with items etc to do good stuff. Is that good stuff better than the old good stuff? Not really much. And again the better combos that started working with AV1? Yes, they were intended to set the power level the way they did (mostly). OK, its a power BOOST, but don't call it "creep". There's no way they could cram into the PHB all the stuff they wanted players to have and there were few really good builds. AV1 was needed. I only really see increased options in newer stuff and very little increases power overall. You can get a bonus for having a familiar, ok but you pay a feat for it, lol. Sure the bonus is pretty much what the feat is worth and you also get a familiar which gives you another rather circumstantial benefit. I'm just not losing sleep over this and the power level is not going up and up. There are only so many things one PC can benefit from. That's one of the good things about 4e. When it comes to powers and feats there's already more than enough. Unless you unleash a whopping feat its not going to be better than what I have already. Do watch Dragon stuff though, they seem to have a different standard over there. I'm cautious about allowing a lot of it, but then most players aren't begging for more choices. If anything the game is getting so sprawling now that even figuring out the perfect combo that will break things is beyond most players. And no system will totally withstand hardcore tweakers.</blockquote>

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