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<blockquote data-quote="Ashtagon" data-source="post: 5900611" data-attributes="member: 72335">I am familiar with those rules.First, the gold costs are really trivial once past 3rd level.The Spellcraft check is possibly a roadblock, but consider two points:* For any given spell, there is almost certainly another spell of the same level that approximates the same effects. You want an orb of something spell? Chances of failing all five checks is pretty low.* Assuming the wizard has his Intelligence score consistently at 18 through his career, maximises his Spellcraft skill ranks, and has no items to boost his Spellcraft check (not happening), and no feats to boost his Spellcraft check, he needs to roll an 8 or better to get a 1st level spell at 1st level. At 5th level, to get his level-appropriate 3rd level spells, he needs to roll 6+ (4+ to mop up any remaining 1st level spells). By the time he is able to get 9th level spells (17th level), he need only roll, um, nothing at all; it's an automatic success. And these are with no real optimism beyond what a noob might do. Those DCs do not keep up with the task.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashtagon, post: 5900611, member: 72335"] I am familiar with those rules. First, the gold costs are really trivial once past 3rd level. The Spellcraft check is possibly a roadblock, but consider two points: * For any given spell, there is almost certainly another spell of the same level that approximates the same effects. You want an orb of something spell? Chances of failing all five checks is pretty low. * Assuming the wizard has his Intelligence score consistently at 18 through his career, maximises his Spellcraft skill ranks, and has no items to boost his Spellcraft check (not happening), and no feats to boost his Spellcraft check, he needs to roll an 8 or better to get a 1st level spell at 1st level. At 5th level, to get his level-appropriate 3rd level spells, he needs to roll 6+ (4+ to mop up any remaining 1st level spells). By the time he is able to get 9th level spells (17th level), he need only roll, um, nothing at all; it's an automatic success. And these are with no real optimism beyond what a noob might do. Those DCs do not keep up with the task. [/QUOTE]

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