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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1611257" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>The rules are not clear, that's why they have included it in the FAQ.</p><p> </p><p> It is meant like you say.</p><p> </p><p> Wizards get new spells per day, caster level and get to add 2 new spells into their spellbook.</p><p> </p><p> Sorcerers get new spells known, spells per day, caster level and also can swap out spells at every even caster level.</p><p> </p><p> All these benefits are tied to the caster level and not the class level!</p><p> Therefore it is irrelevant, whether the caster level was gained in the original class or in a PrC, that advances spellcasting ability.</p><p> </p><p> The ability to add these 2 spells is simply to display a wizard's research during the downtime, which he surely continues, even if he advances his spellcasting ability in a slightly different direction (PrC).</p><p> </p><p> Maybe you can convince your DM by telling him, that the 2 free spells of the wizard essentially are the equivalent of the sorcerer's spells known. He surely doesn't want to argue, that they do not get these from an effective spellcasting level increase via a PrC.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Oops, havn't seen, that you already said that... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p> I can only guess, that your DM thinks, wizards are too powerful and therefore is so stubborn... or is such a rules-lawyer, that he is going by the precise wording, not the meaning of it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> It does say, that spells known are gained... it does not say anything about free wizard spells, alth it's pretty clear, that they are equivalent and should be treated like spells known... well, to me at least. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p> Bye</p><p> Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 1611257, member: 478"] The rules are not clear, that's why they have included it in the FAQ. It is meant like you say. Wizards get new spells per day, caster level and get to add 2 new spells into their spellbook. Sorcerers get new spells known, spells per day, caster level and also can swap out spells at every even caster level. All these benefits are tied to the caster level and not the class level! Therefore it is irrelevant, whether the caster level was gained in the original class or in a PrC, that advances spellcasting ability. The ability to add these 2 spells is simply to display a wizard's research during the downtime, which he surely continues, even if he advances his spellcasting ability in a slightly different direction (PrC). Maybe you can convince your DM by telling him, that the 2 free spells of the wizard essentially are the equivalent of the sorcerer's spells known. He surely doesn't want to argue, that they do not get these from an effective spellcasting level increase via a PrC. EDIT: Oops, havn't seen, that you already said that... :) I can only guess, that your DM thinks, wizards are too powerful and therefore is so stubborn... or is such a rules-lawyer, that he is going by the precise wording, not the meaning of it. It does say, that spells known are gained... it does not say anything about free wizard spells, alth it's pretty clear, that they are equivalent and should be treated like spells known... well, to me at least. :) Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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