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<blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 3668232" data-attributes="member: 17077"><p>I'm not saying that at all. Just because wizards don't have a set limit on how many spells they know doesn't mean that it is inapplicable to them. When a wizard gains a new level, regardless of whether he gets a new level of spells, he gets 2 free spells known. How then is "and spells, known, if applicable" not applicable to him? Just because he doesn't have a chart with a set number of spells known at each level doesn't mean that it is inapplicable to him. He gets spells known at each and every level. Yes, he can learn other spells beyond this, but that is optional and costs time and money.</p><p></p><p>There is still some question, I admit, of whether it is a class feature or a part of their spellcasting progression. Unfortunately, the book really isn't clear on this. I prefer to do what I believe is the fairest and most common sense solution - give it to them. After all, these spells are part of a wizard's ongoing research and study. They are part of his development of magical skills. I can't imagine that a wizard would suddenly stop researching and studying simply because he has gained a prestige class. </p><p></p><p>I also think that wizards have enough disadvantages already. They have the lowest number of spells per day among the pure caster classes, and the spellbook is a huge shackle and money sink. The two free spells a wizard gets is pretty much the only thing that actually lets them have some money and time leftover to do other things. For a class that will end up spending a large portion of his wealth just to get access to his primary class feature, the 2 free spells known is a godsend. And look at clerics and druids, which get acess to their entire, not inconsiderable list of spells automatically and for free. Wizards have to spend lots of time and money to gain each and every spell that they can learn, and that's after finding or researching the spell, which often isn't easy. And they have to haul them around in expensive and vulnerable books just to make use of them. Give them a break. They need it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Falling Icicle, post: 3668232, member: 17077"] I'm not saying that at all. Just because wizards don't have a set limit on how many spells they know doesn't mean that it is inapplicable to them. When a wizard gains a new level, regardless of whether he gets a new level of spells, he gets 2 free spells known. How then is "and spells, known, if applicable" not applicable to him? Just because he doesn't have a chart with a set number of spells known at each level doesn't mean that it is inapplicable to him. He gets spells known at each and every level. Yes, he can learn other spells beyond this, but that is optional and costs time and money. There is still some question, I admit, of whether it is a class feature or a part of their spellcasting progression. Unfortunately, the book really isn't clear on this. I prefer to do what I believe is the fairest and most common sense solution - give it to them. After all, these spells are part of a wizard's ongoing research and study. They are part of his development of magical skills. I can't imagine that a wizard would suddenly stop researching and studying simply because he has gained a prestige class. I also think that wizards have enough disadvantages already. They have the lowest number of spells per day among the pure caster classes, and the spellbook is a huge shackle and money sink. The two free spells a wizard gets is pretty much the only thing that actually lets them have some money and time leftover to do other things. For a class that will end up spending a large portion of his wealth just to get access to his primary class feature, the 2 free spells known is a godsend. And look at clerics and druids, which get acess to their entire, not inconsiderable list of spells automatically and for free. Wizards have to spend lots of time and money to gain each and every spell that they can learn, and that's after finding or researching the spell, which often isn't easy. And they have to haul them around in expensive and vulnerable books just to make use of them. Give them a break. They need it. ;) [/QUOTE]
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